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post #151 of 3332

I'll play, no order intended

 

nas

2pac

biggie

krs-one

eminem

big daddy kane

wu tang (ill give it to ghostface if pressured although GZA is better)

jay-z

slick rick

rakim

 

This was a hard list, to separate my feelings from your 4 criteria took more effort than I was willing to give ;)

i didn't want to say jay-z but like it or not in 50 years he will be known as the most influential rapper that ever lived


Edited by ferday - 2/12/13 at 12:48am
post #152 of 3332

Too hard. Way too hard. Way to ask the big questions. I'll have to do some real thinking and get back to you on this, but Rakim and Mos Def make the top two for sure, just not certain about everyone else. I see everyone has Nas on, I'm hesitant to put him on the list since I've only found a handful of his stuff to be truly significant (and I mean really, top-notch, big game-changing stuff like Illmatic), while everyone else are pretty consistent in quality. 

 

Damn that's a hard one. Might take days to come up with something. biggrin.gif

post #153 of 3332
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

Too hard. Way too hard. Way to ask the big questions. I'll have to do some real thinking and get back to you on this, but Rakim and Mos Def make the top two for sure, just not certain about everyone else. I see everyone has Nas on, I'm hesitant to put him on the list since I've only found a handful of his stuff to be truly significant (and I mean really, top-notch, big game-changing stuff like Illmatic), while everyone else are pretty consistent in quality. 

 

Damn that's a hard one. Might take days to come up with something. biggrin.gif


IT SO EASY (Chinese Accent)

 

This guy always tops my list.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

400

 

 

We should make an inverse list just for the LuLs. It's so bad that is actually good. LMAO

post #154 of 3332
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

We should make an inverse list just for the LuLs. It's so bad that is actually good. LMAO

Inverse list - it's already been made.

 

Just read from bottom to top. very_evil_smiley.gif

 

But nah, I'll make a serious top 10 and worst 10 after due consideration, long nights of analysis and complex calculations. So Tuesday?

post #155 of 3332
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Originally Posted by razevi3 View Post

 

I understand, definitely a constructive discussion. I was being a bit too harsh and I'm grateful that you guys reintroduced me to K-Rap. I also appreciate the examples that were provided as they are poetic in their content. I just hope you guys felt what I was feeling regarding the grammatical structure though as that still holds true when it comes to pure rhymes. For example (this is for Bokyung), words like 을, 고, 은/를/는, 린/인, the particles with preposition like functions that end the rhymes, are still prevalent, and they're inherently not part of the nouns, verbs, etc. An American equivalent would be akin to rhymes such as "read along/feed along" or "hop anymore/cOcky anymore/drop anymore" that ends by repeating a certain preposition with different nouns or verbs. In American poetry, this is repetition, a rhetorical device, but in Korean, it can't be considered a repetition because it's an intrinsic part of the sentence structure. This is the limitation I was talking about regarding Korean. Of course, there are still plenty of mid-rhymes that precede these which are good overall, but I hope you know what I mean by Korean being limited when strictly dealing with stretching and putting different emphasis on the syllables (electricity can be pronounced e-lec-tric-i-ty, e-lec-truh-ci-ty, e-lec-trah-ci-ty, e-lec-tric-i-tay, etc.). Again, a request: which Korean rappers play with the syllables and their pronunciation to stretch the boundary of the rhymes?

 

I love discussing the linguistics of rap so please bear with me. I'll shut up about the topic after this and go back to rap appreciation as intended on the thread, haha.

 

Yet, it can make the sentence it more complex (by forcing some in, talking in 3rd perspective, breaking the 4th wall without sacrificing the quality, etc), and infinite amount of choices. Remember,  Korean =/= English. 

 

I know exactly what you mean, yet that's so 90's. Like early 90's. Like JP (Kim Jin Pyo of Panic) old. It's still widely used and accepted, but you really need to update yourself with current styles since it has evolved a lot since then. Unless you are listening to bunch of songs by boy/girl groups haha.

 

 

Not sure why you are comparing two different langues, since they have polar opposite grammatical structures, etc. What you are doing is like comparing pork to beef. Two completely different species. But these are pretty good examples.
 
Mithra's verses. It's a repost, from previous page.
 
전부를 바친다, 그 어떤 흐름에
믿음의 가치가, 이 영적 부름에
의미를 부여해 저 하늘은 구름에
삶조차 물처럼 흘러가게 주문해
우리는 보태, 오래 물이 흐르게
유행의 모체 속에 숨이 고르게
아무도 모르게 키워가는 소름에
가득찬 한강, 괴물 같은 우리의 모든게
밝혀 질테니까 애써 모두 모른채
할 필요 없으니까 됐어, 목을 조른채
고개를 돌려봐도 대중들이 고른대
서사시의 막은 오늘도 오르네
 
Almost entire verse rhymes, line by line. Yes, entire line rhymes with next line.

 

커버린 머리와는 다른 발걸음의 퇴보.
서버린 먹잇감을 찾는 악어들의 태도.
뼈저린 거리감의 얇은 살얼음을 깨고,
버려진 머리맡의 바른 관념들을 재고.
이 밤은 저 달이 선물하는 쾌락의 성.
시간은 너만이 절규하는 최악의 병.
눈치 따윈 없어, 내일은 다시없어.
기나긴 항해 속에 걸고 내릴 닻이 없어.
순간을 바친다. 부담은 아낀다.
이미 무너진 벽을 넘어 밤을 달린다.
두발이 다칠까? 두 발을 살피다
너를 뒤 쫓던 현실의 수갑은 잠긴다.

 

First 4 lines rhymes. Not just 1 syllable, entire word rhymes with the next one.

5th and 6th line rhymes.

I must say, Mithra wasn't trained in poetry for nothing.

 

Fana

 

자, 우리 가슴 깊은 곳에 담은 이 참울림은 매번 
나를 짓밟는 힘든 삶에 타우린 같은 리듬. 차근
차근히 발을 딛는 순간, 하나둘씩 큰 상승
기류가 만들어지고 다들 입도 다물지 못해.
까무러칠걸? 내가 만든 치료제는 온통 
땀으로 질퍽해진 그들의 몸을 씻어내.
리듬을 타고 흘러가는 Rap Rocket은 
너의 몸속에 파고들어가 영혼을 노크해.
 

 

The Q

 
이렇게 하루가 지나고 밤이 찾아오면
고요함만이 나와 함께하지.
이 적막감이 탁한 공기로 바뀔 때 쯤,
잠시 생각에 잠기다 환기나 해보려고
낡은 라디오를 켜고, 어김없이 들려오는
유행가를 속삭이며 따라 불러보다가,
얼마 지나지 않아 그만 난 꺼버리고 말아.
몇 분이 흘러가고, 그게 언제인진 몰라도
예전에 어떤 책에서 본, 뜻을 알지 못했던
구절을 몇 번이고 되 뇌이면서 수첩에 적었지.
나의 밤은 길어. 그래서 꿈도 길지.
가끔 헤매는 기분이 들어. 길을 잃진 않았는데도.
진실함. 그 기다림에 지친 난 이 사회의 길치.
 

@ TwinQY

 

Zico is alright (his acquaintance with Swings doesn't count, current VJ doesn't count either... LOL). Jepp Blackman is alright, but prior to his idol debut he has spent a lot of time with ADV (Huck P, JJK, CSP... lol I know swf is gonna be like wtff) + Soul Connections, so I would actually rank him higher tbh since he prob learned a thing or two from them. Not that Zico/Jepp are considered "good" in my book haha.

 

Super happy  that people mentioned Rakim & Eric B and Masta Ace. Heck, I am super big Rakim & Eric B fan, but most hiphop forums seems to list 2Pac/Biggie and forget the rest.

 

P.S

 


Edited by Bokyung - 2/12/13 at 3:02pm
post #156 of 3332
Thread Starter 

^ The sight of that flying birdie makes me sad, T_T

 

I like this grounded one much better.

post #157 of 3332
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Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

Too hard. Way too hard. Way to ask the big questions. I'll have to do some real thinking and get back to you on this, but Rakim and Mos Def make the top two for sure, just not certain about everyone else. I see everyone has Nas on, I'm hesitant to put him on the list since I've only found a handful of his stuff to be truly significant (and I mean really, top-notch, big game-changing stuff like Illmatic), while everyone else are pretty consistent in quality. 

 

Damn that's a hard one. Might take days to come up with something. biggrin.gif

there was a time I never thought of putting him as high as 2 on my list and even now I am still debating whether he deserves number 1 or not, I can give you details if you like cuz I don't think illmatic is his only great album

 

take your time, my previous post contained my thoughts roughly 2 years ago, the one below is the updated version....and yes it took quite a lot of sleep out of me

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by razevi3 View Post

In no particular order:

 

Nas

2Pac

Andre 3000

KRS-One

Eminem

Rakim

Immortal Technique

The Notorious B.I.G.

Wu-Tang Clan (as a group)

Mos Def

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ferday View Post

I'll play, no order intended

 

nas

2pac

biggie

krs-one

eminem

big daddy kane

wu tang (ill give it to ghostface if pressured although GZA is better)

jay-z

slick rick

rakim

 

This was a hard list, to separate my feelings from your 4 criteria took more effort than I was willing to give ;)

i didn't want to say jay-z but like it or not in 50 years he will be known as the most influential rapper that ever lived

lol you cheaters putting wu as an MC, anyway I have to update my list, I just noticed last night I missed a couple key figures

 

top 5 is dead set now and last 5 i'm still unsure of ranking

 

Rakim

Nas

Kool G Rap

Big Daddy Kane

KRS-ONE

GURU

Masta Ace

Ice Cube

Black Thought

GZA

 

so I am only using my criteria, forgot to mention you don't have to use my criteria to make your lists

post #158 of 3332
Thread Starter 

^Damn i need to listen to those pioneers more, the only old school cat i listened to was Krs One. Don't even listen to 2Pac, Biggie, Nas, much or if at all. LoL Have heard a lot of the OG stuff here and there but never really listened to complete albums. Guess I am not a "real" hip hop head after all. tongue_smile.gif

post #159 of 3332

C'mon, Kiddies...

 

Let's get real. Everything else seems weak in comparison:

 

post #160 of 3332
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StratocasterMan View Post

C'mon, Kiddies...

 

Let's get real. Everything else seems weak in comparison:

 

 


Oh yeah completely forgot that at some point i tried out some PE as well, but all that political stuff/ boring flow got old real quick. LoL How is their new album anyways??? They probably put political hip hop on the map and mainstreamed it, so they should get a lot of props for that. But they have wayyyyy pass their prime. 

 

I personally think Paris is a lot better than PE, he is what PE should have evolved into, but they are still stuck with the same style/ content which gets repetitive and boring after a few listens. Paris is crazy underrated it seems, and deserves a lot more love me thinks.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_%28rapper%29

 


Edited by sfwalcer - 2/12/13 at 5:59pm
post #161 of 3332
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post


Oh yeah completely forgot that at some point i tried out some PE as well, but all that political stuff/ boring flow got old real quick. LoL How is their new album anyways??? They probably put political hip hop on the map and mainstreamed it, so they should get a lot of props for that. But they have wayyyyy pass their prime. 

 

I personally think Paris is a lot better than PE, he is what PE should have evolved into, but they are still stuck with the same style/ content which gets repetitive and boring after a few listens. Paris is crazy underrated it seems, and deserves a lot more love me thinks.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_%28rapper%29

 

 

Chuck D was never a great rapper, but what PE had was the best production squad that ever existed...!

post #162 of 3332

 

 

Love Rage, not the most amazing rap or the most amazing metal, just something about how they mix the styles with their own. 

Anyways, remember people talking about it in the previous thread, so...

 

 

Out of common courtesy, I've tucked these away for those with a slower internet connection (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

Struck a gold mine this morning, just branched off from Big Punisher, Krush, and Riddle, and got all these in return. Hooray for Grooveshark!
post #163 of 3332
post #164 of 3332

^^ Sold out. Not that I should be buying more CDs...

 

Any good Nas recs?

post #165 of 3332
Thread Starter 

^ LoL tried some rage stuff too, but sadly i only liked like a couple of their songs.

 

Not really new Nas stuff but Sourface remixes are really nice, his remix of some of Nas' tracks are freaken amazing. Smooth as butta'!!!

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 


 

These might even sound better than the original. beerchug.gif


Edited by sfwalcer - 2/13/13 at 10:46pm
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