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post #136 of 3560
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Originally Posted by KamijoIsMyHero View Post

it's RAP music for a reason

 

well that's main thing discussed by raze, according to him, korean rappers lack technical prowess in comparison to english rappers, a lot of hip-hop head like this aspect of rap, the complexity delivered in poetic rhyme form, you don't like this or something? 

Nah, I fully support this. Was just curious how it was going to be done.

 

Well, that's bit sad to hear if Raze really feels that way.

post #137 of 3560

Honestly, all I did was present my opinion on what makes rap great for me, and my interpretation of that. Don't accuse me of not understanding the language fully because I'm through and through a full-blooded Korean who just happens to appreciate the poetic aspect of rap that's rooted deeply in Latin-based English. I don't find the language as intricate when applying my definition of poetry to it so that's all that is. As I kept saying, to each his own. I don't know why you gotta feel sad for me as that comes off as condescending toward my views.

 

Edit: Also, I'm willing to discover more great artists. It'd be nice if you could just helpfully lead me in the right direction instead. I'm not here to disrespect anyone's opinion.

 

So here's a genuine request: are there any Korean rappers that focus on the technicalities of rap, such that almost everything rhymes, even words that aren't supposed to? I'd be really interested in this.


Edited by razevi3 - 2/11/13 at 12:14pm
post #138 of 3560

^^ Honestly, I feel like you guys are persecuting him a wee bit. He comes off as articulate and he does have quite a lot of valid points. Obviously I'm not involved in the debate, but there is a hint of a condescension going around, as he mentioned.

 

Personally I don't think the language itself is the problem here, just poor execution in general. No one should give a [redacted] about either language being more "legit" than the others (if considering the music itself, not the rap, I would side with the Korean styles anytime) My 2 cents though, leave me out of it.

 

Anyways, , hopefully we can come back and talk more about rap (of all languages). 

post #139 of 3560
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Originally Posted by razevi3 View Post

Honestly, all I did was present my opinion on what makes rap great for me, and my interpretation of that. Don't accuse me of not understanding the language fully because I'm through and through a full-blooded Korean who just happens to appreciate the poetic aspect of rap that's rooted deeply in Latin-based English. I don't find the language as intricate when applying my definition of poetry to it so that's all that is. As I kept saying, to each his own. I don't know why you gotta feel sad for me as that comes off as condescending toward my views.

 

Edit: Also, I'm willing to discover more great artists. It'd be nice if you could just helpfully lead me in the right direction instead. I'm not here to disrespect anyone's opinion.

 

So here's a genuine request: are there any Korean rappers that focus on the technicalities of rap, such that almost everything rhymes, even words that aren't supposed to? I'd be really interested in this.

 

I don't think anyone's questioning your family background, I certainly am not. As another Korean, born and raised in Daegu, I am more than happy to see a fellow Korean on this forum. But that being said, I disagree with your views towards Korean poetry.

 

Yes, there are few rappers who actually does that. Mithra of Epik High does that often.

 

His verse from Flow.

Quote:
전부를 바친다, 그 어떤 흐름에
믿음의 가치가, 이 영적 부름에
의미를 부여해 저 하늘은 구름에
삶조차 물처럼 흘러가게 주문해
우리는 보태, 오래 물이 흐르게
유행의 모체 속에 숨이 고르게
아무도 모르게 키워가는 소름에
가득찬 한강, 괴물 같은 우리의 모든게
밝혀 질테니까 애써 모두 모른채
할 필요 없으니까 됐어, 목을 조른채
고개를 돌려봐도 대중들이 고른대
서사시의 막은 오늘도 오르네

 

Breakdown

Quote:
커버린 머리와는 다른 발걸음의 퇴보.
서버린 먹잇감을 찾는 악어들의 태도.
뼈저린 거리감의 얇은 살얼음을 깨고,
버려진 머리맡의 바른 관념들을 재고.
이 밤은 저 달이 선물하는 쾌락의 성.
시간은 너만이 절규하는 최악의 병.
눈치 따윈 없어, 내일은 다시없어.
기나긴 항해 속에 걸고 내릴 닻이 없어.
순간을 바친다. 부담은 아낀다.
이미 무너진 벽을 넘어 밤을 달린다.
두발이 다칠까? 두 발을 살피다
너를 뒤 쫓던 현실의 수갑은 잠긴다.

 

I certainly agree with TwinQY about the language being "legit" or not.


Edited by Bokyung - 2/11/13 at 1:42pm
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I italicized the inner rhymes and bolded the outer ones, interesting results imo ,the first verse suggest ease of rhyming with 3-4 syllables, second verse is killer just by a read through and featured 2 couplets that rhymed every syllable basshead.gif

 

(note: the most syllables I've seen rhymed in one go is 24)

 

edit:headfi wont do korean for some reason, looks messed up now lol


Edited by KamijoIsMyHero - 2/11/13 at 3:47pm
post #141 of 3560
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Originally Posted by Bokyung View Post

MTL? Is this the MTL I am thinking of? Or is this different one?

 

Garion? They aren't worthy of listening to Garion. The Quiett & Fana should be enough.

 

 

Korean not fit for rhyming? Are you even Korean? Korean is like, perfect for poetry. Please get your head out of English-centric view. Or try coming back when you actually know what you are talking about. 

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

 

Oh right, multisyllabic rhyme might be too hard for some.

 

Let's simplify things.

 

Here's EH.

 

 

 

Good old I.F and their very carefully crafted story.

 

 

 

 

Or good old positive music by DD

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL @ no known DJs. DJ Premier digged DJ Soulscape's works. I think that's more than enough for some credibility. 

 

As far as producer goes, Voda Loca, Shimmytwice, Loptimist, Primary, Soulscape, keeperoots, etc etc.

 

i'm not trying to get into anything here other than to say those were awesome tracks, thanks for posting.  

post #142 of 3560
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

Wait, wait, wait, Soompi? That thread?

...It explains so much now. I stopped following the thread after page ~200. No wonder the stuff you guys pull out are so familiar.

 

The avatar doesn't show her with the eye smile. Because I don't feel like melting into a puddle everytime I look at my DP.

 

 

haha, yeah don't worry we are still only at page 201 after you stopped. wink_face.gif  That eye smile of Fanys is the only thing i still love about her sadly.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by razevi3 View Post

Honestly, all I did was present my opinion on what makes rap great for me, and my interpretation of that. Don't accuse me of not understanding the language fully because I'm through and through a full-blooded Korean who just happens to appreciate the poetic aspect of rap that's rooted deeply in Latin-based English. I don't find the language as intricate when applying my definition of poetry to it so that's all that is. As I kept saying, to each his own. I don't know why you gotta feel sad for me as that comes off as condescending toward my views.

 

Edit: Also, I'm willing to discover more great artists. It'd be nice if you could just helpfully lead me in the right direction instead. I'm not here to disrespect anyone's opinion.

 

So here's a genuine request: are there any Korean rappers that focus on the technicalities of rap, such that almost everything rhymes, even words that aren't supposed to? I'd be really interested in this.

 

Dood we are not even trying to attack you from multiply fronts, it's that you made a BOLD statement about Korean Hip Hop and we are simply trying to prove that your views are somewhat flawed, that's all. It's a healthy/ interesting discussion really. Hence all the numerous examples Suh posts to prove what you claimed is not that well grounded.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

^^ Honestly, I feel like you guys are persecuting him a wee bit. He comes off as articulate and he does have quite a lot of valid points. Obviously I'm not involved in the debate, but there is a hint of a condescension going around, as he mentioned.

 

Personally I don't think the language itself is the problem here, just poor execution in general. No one should give a [redacted] about either language being more "legit" than the others (if considering the music itself, not the rap, I would side with the Korean styles anytime) My 2 cents though, leave me out of it.

 

Anyways, , hopefully we can come back and talk more about rap (of all languages). 

 

It's not a total train wreck haha, since we are still talking about hip hop, not like we are talking about SNSD or Kpop or something ooops! Just that we are narrowing it down to Korean Hip Hop for now, Hip Hop from other nations will get the lime light eventually i hope.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ferday View Post

 

i'm not trying to get into anything here other than to say those were awesome tracks, thanks for posting.  

 

We are not trying to get into anything here as well, just want to get a healthy discussion going. Finding great/ new interesting music should what this thread is all about at the end of the day so 1'm glad people are posting great sounding stuff. Hey why didn't i get such kind praises for my damn MVs!!! biggrin.gif


Edited by sfwalcer - 2/11/13 at 6:57pm
post #143 of 3560
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

haha, yeah don't worry we are still only at page 201 after you stopped. wink_face.gif  That eye smile of Fanys is the only thing i still love about her sadly.

 

Dood we are not even trying to attack you from multiply fronts, it's that you made a BOLD statement about Korean Hip Hop and we are simply trying to prove that your views are somewhat flawed, that's all. It's a healthy/ interesting discussion really. Hence all the numerous examples Suh posts to prove what you claimed is not that well grounded.

 

It's not a total train wreck haha, since we are still talking about hip hop, not like we are talking about SNSD or Kpop or something ooops! Just that we are narrowing it down to Korean Hip Hop for now, Hip Hop from other nations will get the lime light eventually i hope.

 

We are not trying to get into anything here as well, just want to get a healthy discussion going. Finding great/ new interesting music should what this thread is all about at the end of the day so 1'm glad people are posting great sounding stuff. Hey why didn't i get such kind praises for my damn MVs!!! biggrin.gif

...Wait, can we talk about SNSD and Kpop?

Introducing, the new and improved Rap sucks 2.0 - now with short spurts of KPop fandom!

 

Anyways, found some nice trip-hop/instrumental hip-hop http://www.last.fm/music/Esbe/Late+night+headphones+Vol.1&2. Chill stuff. Hopefully this drives everything back on topic. Don't get me wrong, I love that there's an audience for Korean hip-hop and that people are so enthusiastic about it, but it might not seem fair if we crowd the thread and don't let people with other tastes get to contribute their stuff.

 

Only praise for your MVs was how the last Euro one scared the crap out of me, it was so freaky. But, nah, JK.

post #144 of 3560
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinQY View Post

...Wait, can we talk about SNSD and Kpop?

Introducing, the new and improved Rap sucks 2.0 - now with short spurts of KPop fandom!

 

Anyways, found some nice trip-hop/instrumental hip-hop http://www.last.fm/music/Esbe/Late+night+headphones+Vol.1&2. Chill stuff. Hopefully this drives everything back on topic. Don't get me wrong, I love that there's an audience for Korean hip-hop and that people are so enthusiastic about it, but it might not seem fair if we crowd the thread and don't let people with other tastes get to contribute their stuff.

 

Only praise for your MVs was how the last Euro one scared the crap out of me, it was so freaky. But, nah, JK.

 

LoL, who can "honestly" say they don't "like" Kpop if you knowhatimean. wink_face.gif And who can honestly say they like Kpop for the music HA!

Kpop is omnipresent and permeates everything these days, so what is the use in trying to avoid the topic. No need to beat around the bush, cuz i loves me some Kpop just as any other Asian dood would. Hip Hop and Kpop is truly a match made in heaven. redface.gif

 

Don't lie you know you loved that Euro Trash beat, had you jumping outta dat chair. Dem crazy Euros, i just fail to understand them sometimes. 

 

@Kami

Oh forgot to ask you, you can read/ know Korea??? Or did you use some google translate thingy to do all that magical thing you did just there. I don't know what that thing was but it sure looks impressive. Thought you were only just a Jpn-phile, who knew you got a thing for Korean as well.  Props meng! beerchug.gif

post #145 of 3560

like I said before, I am into lyrics and and rhyming patterns, I used what bokyung linked me to get romanization of the characters and examined the rhyming structure, nothing to big, I wish you khiphop heads would already have this predone -.-

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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

 

LoL, who can "honestly" say they don't "like" Kpop if you knowhatimean. wink_face.gif And who can honestly say they like Kpop for the music HA!

Kpop is omnipresent and permeates everything these days, so what is the use in trying to avoid the topic. No need to beat around the bush, cuz i loves me some Kpop just as any other Asian dood would. Hip Hop and Kpop is truly a match made in heaven. redface.gif

 

Don't lie you know you loved that Euro Trash beat, had you jumping outta dat chair. Dem crazy Euros, i just fail to understand them sometimes. 

 

@Kami

Oh forgot to ask you, you can read/ know Korea??? Or did you use some google translate thingy to do all that magical thing you did just there. I don't know what that thing was but it sure looks impressive. Thought you were only just a Jpn-phile, who knew you got a thing for Korean as well.  Props meng! beerchug.gif

 

just to add, hip-hop and jrock are currently married in my library, kpop is the mistress

 

 

raina, nana, lizzy <3

post #146 of 3560
Quote:
Originally Posted by KamijoIsMyHero View Post

like I said before, I am into lyrics and and rhyming patterns, I used what bokyung linked me to get romanization of the characters and examined the rhyming structure, nothing to big, I wish you khiphop heads would already have this predone -.-

 

just to add, hip-hop and jrock are currently married in my library, kpop is the mistress

 

raina, nana, lizzy <3

 

A show of dedication from a true disciple. ph34r.gif

 

Bringing up KPop, here's some nasty bad KPop rap

I actually sort of like B.A.P, just not their rap.

post #147 of 3560
Thread Starter 

^ It's official!!!

........... LMAO

 

Dat NANA!!! Take all those hideous makeup and clothing off of them and i am a happy camper! rolleyes.gif A guy can dream can't he? Still confused as to why they dress them up the way they do for this sub group, maybe i just don't "get it." 

 

Not really into Kpop guy groups. heeeeee But i would think Block B is better than B.A.P no??? BUT BOYFRIENDS IS BEST <3s

post #148 of 3560
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Originally Posted by sfwalcer View Post

Dood we are not even trying to attack you from multiply fronts, it's that you made a BOLD statement about Korean Hip Hop and we are simply trying to prove that your views are somewhat flawed, that's all. It's a healthy/ interesting discussion really. Hence all the numerous examples Suh posts to prove what you claimed is not that well grounded.

 

I understand, definitely a constructive discussion. I was being a bit too harsh and I'm grateful that you guys reintroduced me to K-Rap. I also appreciate the examples that were provided as they are poetic in their content. I just hope you guys felt what I was feeling regarding the grammatical structure though as that still holds true when it comes to pure rhymes. For example (this is for Bokyung), words like 을, 고, 은/를/는, 린/인, the particles with preposition like functions that end the rhymes, are still prevalent, and they're inherently not part of the nouns, verbs, etc. An American equivalent would be akin to rhymes such as "read along/feed along" or "hop anymore/cOcky anymore/drop anymore" that ends by repeating a certain preposition with different nouns or verbs. In American poetry, this is repetition, a rhetorical device, but in Korean, it can't be considered a repetition because it's an intrinsic part of the sentence structure. This is the limitation I was talking about regarding Korean. Of course, there are still plenty of mid-rhymes that precede these which are good overall, but I hope you know what I mean by Korean being limited when strictly dealing with stretching and putting different emphasis on the syllables (electricity can be pronounced e-lec-tric-i-ty, e-lec-truh-ci-ty, e-lec-trah-ci-ty, e-lec-tric-i-tay, etc.). Again, a request: which Korean rappers play with the syllables and their pronunciation to stretch the boundary of the rhymes?

 

I love discussing the linguistics of rap so please bear with me. I'll shut up about the topic after this and go back to rap appreciation as intended on the thread, haha.


Edited by razevi3 - 2/11/13 at 11:32pm
post #149 of 3560

top ten dead or alive list anyone?

 

no order except first 3:

 

Rakim

Nas

Kool G Rap

Big Daddy kane

KRS-ONE

Masta Ace

GZA

Black Thought

Redman

Ghostface

 

based on lyricism, influence, musical dexterity, and discography

post #150 of 3560

In no particular order:

 

Nas

2Pac

Andre 3000

KRS-One

Eminem

Rakim

Immortal Technique

The Notorious B.I.G.

Wu-Tang Clan (as a group)

Mos Def

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