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post #46 of 63
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

To improve subbass cover the bottom vent with tape but then punch in a needle hole to let some air out. Bass response becomes much better, very subbass oriented, probem is, you get a midrange peak which makes it a bit honky lol

 

Kinda like trying to straighten out a fishing net, eh?  lol

post #47 of 63
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Originally Posted by JohnnyAppleseed View Post

 

 

Looks the same to me. Roll off closer to 100Hz than 200Hz. Either way, sub-bass is a definite weak spot. Still a great iem for midbass and above. Just want to alert people to its strengths and weaknesses. No iem is perfect. Every single one has an achilles heel.

 

EDIT: I own a pair and what I hear matches both charts. I like them a lot. But i would never recommend anyone get them for subbass. If subbass is a priority, I would look elsewhere.

 

Well, according to Rin's compensation curve, RE-400 is still at least 3 db louder at 20 Hz than at 1 kHz, so the sub bass is perfectly fine and not rolled off at all, if you trust his graph. If anything, it's the treble that looks a bit rolled off.

post #48 of 63
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

 

Well, according to Rin's compensation curve, RE-400 is still at least 3 db louder at 20 Hz than at 1 kHz, so the sub bass is perfectly fine and not rolled off at all, if you trust his graph. If anything, it's the treble that looks a bit rolled off.

 

As I've said before, they are the same curve.  GoldenEars uses a difference compensation curve that requires boosted sub-bass...  Guess what the boost required is?  3 dB XD 

 

 

This is why many manufacturers don't like to post graphs, many people don't know exactly what they are looking at. 

post #49 of 63
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

As I've said before, they are the same curve.  GoldenEars uses a difference compensation curve that requires boosted sub-bass...  Guess what the boost required is?  3 dB XD 

 

 

This is why many manufacturers don't like to post graphs, many people don't know exactly what they are looking at. 

 

Ok, that makes sense, What I was trying to say is that according to Rin's graph, RE-400 is not rolled off in the sub bass, because even at 20 Hz, it is still louder than through much of the midrange. For those who think RE-400 has a rolled off bass, what would that make the HD650 then? lol

post #50 of 63

Just wondering if others use alternative tips. Tips from Vsonic is pretty small. :( What I observed is the highs is much more natural and present with the large bi-flanges, but it's way too large to be comfortable with my ears. I have to push them hard to achieve good seal. The medium bi-flange is what fits my ears perfectly, but I really do like the sound with the large bi-flange as it has more highs. The medium/stock bi-flange kinda kills the highs and just focuses on the mids. Anyone has a suggestion? I thought the Vsonics' would fit them 'cause I thought I read somewhere that the sony hybrids fit them? And I thought the sony hybrids has the same size with the Vsonic's fake sony hybrids.. I really want to try out other tips hope somebody chimes in. Thanks!


Edited by autoexec - 7/11/13 at 10:17pm
post #51 of 63
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Just wondering if others use alternative tips. Tips from Vsonic is pretty small. :( What I observed is the highs is much more natural and present with the large bi-flanges, but it's way too large to be comfortable with my ears. I have to push them hard to achieve good seal. The medium bi-flange is what fits my ears perfectly, but I really do like the sound with the large bi-flange as it has more highs. The medium/stock bi-flange kinda kills the highs and just focuses on the mids. Anyone has a suggestion? I thought the Vsonics' would fit them 'cause I thought I read somewhere that the sony hybrids fit them? And I thought the sony hybrids has the same size with the Vsonic's fake sony hybrids.. I really want to try out other tips hope somebody chimes in. Thanks!

 

I like the large bi-flanges as well.    I tried the Sony hybrids but they not only attenuated the highs, but the mids as well.   For me, I found that the Comply TS-400's have less an affect on the sound sig than either the Sony Hybrids, or the Comply T-400's and are almost comparable to the large bi's with a bit more bass reinforcement and a tad attenuation of the highs, but not much.


Edited by lwien - 7/12/13 at 12:21am
post #52 of 63
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Originally Posted by lwien View Post

I like the large bi-flanges as well.    I tried the Sony hybrids but they not only attenuated the highs, but the mids as well.   For me, I found that the Comply TS-400's have less an affect on the sound sig than either the Sony Hybrids, or the Comply T-400's and are almost comparable to the large bi's with a bit more bass reinforcement and a tad attenuation of the highs, but not much.
Thanks for sharing.. Are those TS-400's different from the included comply tips on vsonic/brainwavz? The reason I'm asking is because I never liked the sound of those included comoly tips from those manufacturers.. Kinda muddies the sound and kills the highs! Are the TS-400's very different from those free comoky tips? Thank you.
post #53 of 63
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Thanks for sharing.. Are those TS-400's different from the included comply tips on vsonic/brainwavz? The reason I'm asking is because I never liked the sound of those included comoly tips from those manufacturers.. Kinda muddies the sound and kills the highs! Are the TS-400's very different from those free comoky tips? Thank you.

 

I don't know.   Never had the Vsonics or the Brainwavz but I do think that the performance of various tips varies with the interaction of various IEM's, that is, how they perform on one IEM may be different than how they perform on another.  

post #54 of 63

The Ts tips are round rather than long, and the foam hardly goes beyond the end of the core, which reduces muffling of the sound.

post #55 of 63
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Originally Posted by lwien View Post

I don't know.   Never had the Vsonics or the Brainwavz but I do think that the performance of various tips varies with the interaction of various IEM's, that is, how they perform on one IEM may be different than how they perform on another.  
Ah, yes.. I'm just a bit skeptic because of my two experiences with included comoky foam tips. smily_headphones1.gif
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The Ts tips are round rather than long, and the foam hardly goes beyond the end of the core, which reduces muffling of the sound.
Oh, good to know they differ with the included foam tips of some brands. smily_headphones1.gif Thank you for explaining.
post #56 of 63

Bought the 3-pairs package of TS-400's, sadly they don't sound as to my likings. :( It's pretty much the same with my problem with other Comply foams, THEY KILL THE HIGHS. Kinda disappointed here. Anyway, I'm getting used to the tiny bi-flange included though I still prefer the sound of the large ones as the tiny ones kinda kills the highs by like 15%. Much better than the Comply which to me kills 75% of the highs lol. Just reporting back to share my experience.

post #57 of 63
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Originally Posted by autoexec View Post

Bought the 3-pairs package of TS-400's, sadly they don't sound as to my likings. :( It's pretty much the same with my problem with other Comply foams, THEY KILL THE HIGHS. Kinda disappointed here. Anyway, I'm getting used to the tiny bi-flange included though I still prefer the sound of the large ones as the tiny ones kinda kills the highs by like 15%. Much better than the Comply which to me kills 75% of the highs lol. Just reporting back to share my experience.


I know a lot of people tend to not use foam tips properly, I was actually one of them.  The majority of complaints that the highs drop out can be remedied by using them properly.  Take a look as Tyll explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Zc5meSooI

 

This goes for any foam tip with a plastic inner tube BTW ;)

post #58 of 63

Thank you very much for this! Will try it immediately when I get home! :D

post #59 of 63
I really like these IEMs so far.. I just wish there existed an IEM that had better sub bass extension, a slightly bigger sound stage and better instrument separation, while retaining the midrange and treble of the RE-400... oh well, I can dream, can't I? frown.gif
post #60 of 63
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Originally Posted by Peculier View Post

I really like these IEMs so far.. I just wish there existed an IEM that had better sub bass extension, a slightly bigger sound stage and better instrument separation, while retaining the midrange and treble of the RE-400... oh well, I can dream, can't I? frown.gif

 

Retains about 85-90% of the RE-400's treble, the RE-600 matches almost what you want with a bit of a forward midrange.  You'll get the sub-bass extension, same sound stage, same instrument separation, but get a more detailed lower midrange and smoother treble that is perceived to extend further. 

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