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All this talk of uncoloured bass with the HD800 got me thinking, including the remark about the DM Source.

 

As I said I'm currently using a Univeral Audio Apollo Twin Duo for my audio interface, it's a pro studio piece of kit but in a smaller form factor with 2 pre's in and an additional SPIDF stereo in or 8 ADAT ins. A dedicated headphone out, balanced monitor out and another balance line out. The Apollo is known for it's UAD2 plugins that are mostly null test passed emulation of classic studio hardware, from what I know the UAD2 platform is one of 3 companies that do null test passed plugins. Null test plugins are as good as it gets when it comes to measuring emulated hardware against the real thing for accuracy. Additionally these plugins run on dedicated hardware processors on board, the big charm is that it's hardware monitoring at 1.1ms for live tracking. This is great for a number of reasons I won't get into now. 

 

Ne'ways to get back on point, the reason I put all that down is that there's a whole plethora of plugins with UAD2 that are in use on regular production at pro studios of all grades and available to us at a fraction of the cost of the hardware, infact most studios prefer to use the UAD2 versions as it's a hell of a lot more versatile and simpler, not to mention the ability to run them in parallel without having multiple hardware units each with their quirks.

 

For example I just mucked around with the Dangerous Audio BAX EQ Master Mix in Audrivana+. With the HD800 plugged into the Apollo Twin I have full and fine control over any and all frequencies without adding any mud. It's incredible to have this kind of sophisticated control at the consumer level. I added a bit of surgical boost on the kick drum to anywhere from subtle to a wider sweep, the results are very satisfactory. The HD800 retained all the definition with out any undesirable low end mud and other affects leaving the mids and high frequencies unscathed. 

 

 

In any case I'm very satisfied to know I'm spoilt for choice between the Pultec and DM BAX EQs. I don't know how well this kind of approach will go down with purists but I do think these are exciting times to have best of both worlds. I haven't noticed a reduction of soundstage, or any other effects with the EQs deployed. 

 

I did finally get a good deal on a Lehmann BCL standard, ideally I'd have gone for the PRO version with the balanced XLR in, would have been perfect with this setup but didn't want' to put down full scratch, 330 GBP for the used Lehmann was a good deal as opposed to 750 GBP for a new pro model. Can't wait for it to arrive mid next month. Hope it's in good working order. Picked it up from a fellow member here at the used buy and sell section. 

 

I do like the idea of the HD800 being relatively neutral, having an arsenal of quality master mix EQs at hand gives me a lot of peace knowing I can choose to colour or not. Can the HD800 be driven to distortion with over emphasising, absolutely, what I can't wait to figure out is how differently the Lehmann BLC will handle it compared to the Apollo HP out, it'll give me an idea of how much of that distortion is DSP, amplifier and mechanical bourn.

 

Of course I'm not trying to blow the HD800s or my ears, I'm doing these tests at mostly moderate levels, and even lower levels when I'm over emphasising frequencies, but it would be nice to know they can get warmer on demand ;)

 

edit: done a ton of edits for typos.. just like to add that my HD800 sound fantastic with or without any EQ via the apollo, really want to know how the BCL will help it upscale, may throw this eq theory out of the water if I hear the dedicated amp doing something the eq's can't for tone shaping, as far as speed/transients etc I suppose thats a very amp thing. I'm assuming the amp will have a lot more headroom than the Apollo's build in HP amp. Hmm... I should plug these into my old Audiolab 8000A for a quick comparison at this scale of integrated onboard HP amps. 


Edited by Twangsta - 6/28/14 at 12:38pm
post #347 of 352

I wasn't aware that there was an option of using a DM BAX EQ with Audirvana Plus. I have both the DM Source and use Audirvana Plus, but didn't really bother much with EQ. Because it's so neutral and natural, you hear everything in the mix with proper kick. The kick lasts for perfect time. Not too short so it's unsatisfying and not too long that it kills the attack of the next note. Dangerous got me sold on their hardware, not to mention they are supreme with HD800.

 

As far as basshead goes: DM Source + HD800 by a decent margin > something like LCD-3 + BHA-1

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I wasn't aware that there was an option of using a DM BAX EQ with Audirvana Plus. I have both the DM Source and use Audirvana Plus, but didn't really bother much with EQ. Because it's so neutral and natural, you hear everything in the mix with proper kick. The kick lasts for perfect time. Not too short so it's unsatisfying and not too long that it kills the attack of the next note. Dangerous got me sold on their hardware, not to mention they are supreme with HD800.

 

As far as basshead goes: DM Source + HD800 by a decent margin > something like LCD-3 + BHA-1

 

I probably wasn't clear, about the BAX EQ I'm using, it's a DPS plugin, A+ has the ability to use various plugin formats, VST/UAD2 etc. The UAD2 stuff is practically the same as the hardware.

post #349 of 352

Yeah I figured it out on the DM site. Gonna explore it more. Thanks for the find.

 

Officially peaked my interest. I might just have to get this. It looks sweet.


Edited by Zoom25 - 6/29/14 at 2:23am
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Yeah I figured it out on the DM site. Gonna explore it more. Thanks for the find.

 

Officially peaked my interest. I might just have to get this. It looks sweet.

 

Honoured to scratch your OCD itch!

 

Sometimes I wonder if we're all mad :D

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Honoured to scratch your OCD itch!

 

Sometimes I wonder if we're all mad :D

lol yeah I might get it for Audirvana Plus. Nowadays I'm not into mixing or doing projects, so I just use my more casual Macbook Pro and iMacs which have Audirvana Plus and other casual apps. No need to bring out the powerhouse towers with Ableton, Logic, Maschine and Reason. Back then I used to run a lot of my music through plugins stored on those DAWs.

 

I was pleasantly surprised to find the new Audirvana Plus could utilize these audio units.

 

I always hear people suggest using EQs to make the sound fit more of your needs, but I nearly always suggest avoiding EQs because not all EQs are made equally. Different curves and timing errors. 9/10 it will fix one problem and create another, even if it's subtle. A lot of people make music and at the end run them through console boards just to get that polished sound because of their vintage circuitry house sound.

 

Dangerous has really impressed me, so I might have to try their EQ, otherwise I'd usually just try to fix the problems with other macro hardware like amps.

 

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get your BAX eq?

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lol yeah I might get it for Audirvana Plus. Nowadays I'm not into mixing or doing projects, so I just use my more casual Macbook Pro and iMacs which have Audirvana Plus and other casual apps. No need to bring out the powerhouse towers with Ableton, Logic, Maschine and Reason. Back then I used to run a lot of my music through plugins stored on those DAWs.

I was pleasantly surprised to find the new Audirvana Plus could utilize these audio units.

I always hear people suggest using EQs to make the sound fit more of your needs, but I nearly always suggest avoiding EQs because not all EQs are made equally. Different curves and timing errors. 9/10 it will fix one problem and create another, even if it's subtle. A lot of people make music and at the end run them through console boards just to get that polished sound because of their vintage circuitry house sound.

Dangerous has really impressed me, so I might have to try their EQ, otherwise I'd usually just try to fix the problems with other macro hardware like amps.

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get your BAX eq?

Hey sorry about the delayed response. UAd2 plugins are exclusive to universal audio apollo series audio interfaces. You get a lot of tone shaping plugins there. Lately I've been enjoying the Mannley EQ. Folks who've A/B'd the hardware and plugin claim them to be identical tonally. Hope that answers your question. I don't have any DM hardware.

I don't know what it is exactly but my apollo twin & HD800 combo just keeps getting better, I'm using the plugins less and less. I'm getting tons of bass that is very detailed. I can't imagine the lehmann improving things much. I'll have to wait and see.
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