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post #166 of 352
All HD800's have the treble peak objectively. Subjectively everyones ears are different so sound presentation may be a pro for one person whilst a con for another. I'm quite used to bright sounding headphones.
post #167 of 352
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

All HD800's have the treble peak objectively. Subjectively everyones ears are different so sound presentation may be a pro for one person whilst a con for another. I'm quite used to bright sounding headphones.

Agreed. 

 

Also, I'm not disputing that My HD800's don't have a peak. They do, its just not at 6khz... Its from 8-10k and its a biggy :) Thats how cymbals/hi hats and the like really come across. But a 6k peak would cause annoyance with most instruments and bring unwanted sharp edges to piano for e.g. Now it may well be that my ears just aren't picking it up compared to others. But headphones I've owned in the past have annoyed me in this area...  

post #168 of 352
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Agreed. 

 

Also, I'm not disputing that My HD800's don't have a peak. They do, its just not at 6khz... Its from 8-10k and its a biggy :) Thats how cymbals/hi hats and the like really come across. But a 6k peak would cause annoyance with most instruments and bring unwanted sharp edges to piano for e.g. Now it may well be that my ears just aren't picking it up compared to others. But headphones I've owned in the past have annoyed me in this area...  


And how do you deal with this? Have you experimented with Anaxilus mod?

post #169 of 352
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And how do you deal with this? Have you experimented with Anaxilus mod?

Theres no deal. No mods for me and this headphone :)

post #170 of 352
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Theres no deal. No mods for me and this headphone :)

 

+1

post #171 of 352
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

+1

 

Sometimes it's still too hot to my taste, I'll probably try the mod, in my experience they all worked wonder for D5000, T1, MDR-1R. Hot rodding phones biggrin.gif


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 6/2/13 at 6:53pm
post #172 of 352

It is not very different. Tried three HD800 today, serials 15xxx, 18xxx and 20xxx on the same rig, same music and tracks:

 

15xxx (burned-in): very good bass (obviously not profound as the LCD-2/3, Denons, Fostex or others but very good and controlled), not bright at all, lush, but sometimes it seems slightly flat compared the new 20xxx;

18xxx (new not burned-in): a little bit brighter then the 15xxx, same exactly bass of 15xxx;

20xxx (new not burned-in): slightly more bass of the other two, brighter then the 15xxxx and as bright as the 18xxx, better bass texture overall and mids are little more forward then the other two (always IMHO).

 

These are all very subtle differences. Not easy to listen to the differences. You have to listen and listen again for tens times the same tracks in the same point. I think the differences is not from 20xxx serial but between all the HD800 lots produced, very little details can vary like the pads: the 20xxx pads are slightly different from the other two in its material, not as soft as the other two.

 

The frequency response of the first two confirm what I've written. The 15xxx hasn't high peaks, the 18xxx yes. I don't have the 20xxx graph yet.

X.


Edited by Xelor - 7/18/13 at 2:26pm
post #173 of 352

i have 8300 and no problems here, great bass great treble

post #174 of 352
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i have 8300 and no problems here, great bass great treble

Yes, the sound signature is the same. Just subtle differences between the different production run. It is quite normal I think.

post #175 of 352

i heard a 13k and a 5k series and they all sounded the same to me.

post #176 of 352
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Sometimes it's still too hot to my taste, I'll probably try the mod, in my experience they all worked wonder for D5000, T1, MDR-1R. Hot rodding phones biggrin.gif

Try the Moon Black Dragon V2 - tamed the brightness and add more tonal richness. And unlike a mod, easily reversible.
post #177 of 352
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Ha! Interesting.....some have reported that the newer #20xxx have more bass. I'm like ph34r.gif

I think this may all be chaulked to minor individual production variance. I love my older ones, sold the newer - bought a Moom Black Dragon V2 cable. That was a game changer...have not heard of anyone who has tried this cable with HD800s without liking them.
post #178 of 352

I did a graph comparison of the "old" HD800 and the "new" one. Both are from HeadRoom / Headphone.com, but since they have changed their graphs, I had to align the two in Photoshop. This is what it looks like:

 

 

Light blue is the "new" and the dark blue curve the "old".

The "new" seems to have a more V-shaped curve and actually quite a bit more treble than the "old" one.

post #179 of 352

There could be just that. They changed the graphs.

That's one heck of an increase in energy around  6-10k and especially around 9 k region otherwise!

Not sure how thorough they're with their measurements compared to innerfidelity.

post #180 of 352
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Originally Posted by LarsHP View Post

I did a graph comparison of the "old" HD800 and the "new" one. Both are from HeadRoom / Headphone.com, but since they have changed their graphs, I had to align the two in Photoshop. This is what it looks like:

 

 

Light blue is the "new" and the dark blue curve the "old".

The "new" seems to have a more V-shaped curve and actually quite a bit more treble than the "old" one.

 

Thats interesting. How is the break-in time of these two models? Similar?

I just contacted the Sennheiser customer service in germany and asked them, if they technologically changed the HD800 after the price was raised. 

 

They answered that they did not change anything (except the price).

So these differences are astonishing and the question should be: could it be due to break-in time?

Is there any consensus among the owners of both models about differences?

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