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Originally Posted by earphiler View Post


They are unbelievably good.

The end-all in hifiman ear pads imo.

Jerg is the difference between he-400 and he-500 narrower with jergpads?

IMO no. HE400 gets nudged more toward a "complete" sound, as some of you 1st-batchers with HE400 might have noted after receiving the pads.

 

But HE500 is already well-rounded to start with, and the mod tightens up most of the minor flaws in its sound and it's shifted toward an truly ideal sound, at least to my preference (remember, I devised the changes to the pads specifically to make my HE500s sound better; it's just incidental that HE400 benefits from it heavily as well).

post #782 of 1702

I don't even own the HE-500s yet, and I'm already down for getting the pads.

post #783 of 1702
Poor ryan, soon he wont be having the time to study and for his special one off tube amp he is making with his friend biggrin.gif as he will be to busy making his 100th batch of modulor pads. biggrin.gif
post #784 of 1702
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

Poor ryan, soon he wont be having the time to study and for his special one off tube amp he is making with his friend biggrin.gif as he will be to busy making his 100th batch of modulor pads. biggrin.gif

Haha, I always somehow manage to find time to study with all my projects and hobbies, but I've never been the type to cram (or really need to anyway which is good...it hurts my brain).  The amp is still a few months out most likely, so I suspect it will start coming together in early fall, which provides time to tweak the design if necessary.  It seems like it will be an evolving project, which is fine by me.

 

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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 

The real good pads from Fischer audio (FA-003) are of the MK II variety.  They have a stronger pleather on the inside that is more supportive and doesn't collapse as easily as the standard HM5 pad.  Plus, they're a bit more supple.  Then again, I'm not sure how much those two items would really contribute in a great way towards making the sound much better than the HM5 pad, other than possibly a minor improvement.  Also, the Fischer MKII pads are rarer and rarer to come by as each day goes by.

 

I tried to find the picture comparing the two side-by-side so one can see that there's a pretty big improvement with the MK II variety.  Marvin, on the forum here, was looking for the MK II nearly a year ago and didn't have much luck.  Given that there are some options with items such as the JergPads, it seems like a much better route to take as these are constructed with materials that are available today and one doesn't have to go through many iterations of turning over rocks trying to find a pair.

You know, I seem to recall a pair of Fischer pads that essentially mimic the HE60/HE90 style pads, with the pleather on the inside wall and the velour on the top and outer parts.  I believe it was for the FA-002/FA-003 models...I tracked down some pics:

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I bet they are hard to find now, though.

 

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

you lucky folks...I just checked USPS and mine are still in Chicago on the way to India... Ryan, given the rave reviews you are getting, I should have flown to the US just for this...and to pick up some Stax biggrin.gif

Haha, you could always make a pitstop in Japan for the Stax, I imagine pairs there, especially used, go for much less than in the US tongue.gif

 

post #785 of 1702
Finishing up a pair of jergpads over the next day or two, will post pics and impressions when i get done with them.
post #786 of 1702

I received my Jergpads from Modulor yesterday, but didn't install them last night, as I just recently received the Lawton Audio angle pads that I'd ordered prior to getting in on Ryan's most recent batch of Jergpads.

 

First, I like the Lawton pads a lot; for me they are a much better fit and lots more comfortable than the stock pleathers.  Soundwise, I think they are pretty similar to the stock pleathers (but I don't have much time listening to them), maybe a bit less congested and cleaner in the upper mids and treble.

 

I just finished putting the Jergpads on--I should preface my comments with the fact that I didn't care for the stock velours' sound.  The Jergpads are really great; any trace of congestion is gone and the bass is tighter and cleaner to me.  I think I'm really going to like this setup; while I like a touch of warmth, it's not lacking with these, but the sound is just livelier and has even more presence.

 

I using a balanced Q Audio cable from Steve Eddy (love it; sounds fabulous and it is so flexible and comfortable and of course not an antennae the way the stock cable is).  My front end is a Meitner MA-1 dac, feeding an Aesethix Calypso tubed pre (gotta have remote volume control), and then my custom Wavelength Audio 45 SET amp. 

 

I also had Steve build me some banana to balanced adapters, so I can drive the HE-500's from the SET amp's speaker taps, and wow, that setup is sublime IMHO, but I am mostly using the amp's headphone jack (cause it is a pain to disconnect my speaker cables from the amp to drive the 'phones off the speaker taps).

 

As I mentioned in another thread, the HE-500's are just plain great sounding and fun to listen to--the first phones that I often reach for rather than just listening to my speakers (which are great themselves for my tastes--Daedalus Audio DA-RMa's with a REL Strata III sub).

 

Soon I will be adding a DNA Stratus as a dedicated headphone amp (I had the Wavelength built as a combo amp and like it so much driving my speakers that it is doing full time duty in my main setup).

 

Back to the Jergpads--Ryan's fit & finish/craftmanship are first rate also!

 

Thanks Ryan (& Jerg)!

 

Randy

post #787 of 1702
So i received my velour pads today, and became very hesitant when I was faced with attempting to cut into them. So instead I applied steps 2 & 4 of this mod, adding back vents and the sub bass mod. Haven't been able to demo this set up enough to comment, but I may also try to apply the sub bass mod to the whole pad rather than the sub bass with back vents.
post #788 of 1702
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Originally Posted by kernel8888 View Post

So i received my velour pads today, and became very hesitant when I was faced with attempting to cut into them. So instead I applied steps 2 & 4 of this mod, adding back vents and the sub bass mod. Haven't been able to demo this set up enough to comment, but I may also try to apply the sub bass mod to the whole pad rather than the sub bass with back vents.

I've been wondering how this would turn out, if you can comment on the changes that would be awesome!

post #789 of 1702
I received the modular pads!!

and i did it..i managed to change the pads..hourah!!!! biggrin.gif

first listening impressions..damn wish i had my evil unforgiving 337 now..with him i am sure i could give a better impression then this multi hundreds watts onkyo speakeramp.... But i will try

1. This sound needs to get customed to!! I come from the velvetly lightling fast excellent lighter sounding velours pads..so first hour it was hard to like the new fuller more agressive sound.
But after a while my ears and mind got customed to the sound..

And this is what i like more then the velours:

1. That bass!! Omg..especially with bass guitars and trobones..eery how low it goes now..and i love some heavy metallica and some of the lower (evilish) voices almost give me the shivers now..that evil they sound now...so much more power!
2. Mids..female voice sound more real..(adele sounds so lush now!!)
3. Decay..it looks like that music has longer time to get to pure silence..i love that!!
4. Black is blacker!! Cant explain it better
5. Sound is a bit more in yar face..fuller..supercharged..with velours its a bit more laidback.

This is what i found less then the velours
1. Soundstage is less airy..less speaker like..just a bit..but it can also be that i have to get customed to it and the pads needs burn in time..
2. Female voices dont get to the higher octaves (marah carey and sarah brighton)..burn in time?
3. Sound is a bit congested compared to the velours..burn in time?
4. Less air around the instruments...again burn in time?

All with all i consider the modular pads as supercharged pleathers...they come very close to the goods points of the velours combined with the very good points the pleathers have.

For me its a keeper..NOT PERFECT..BUT..

but then again...if i had my 337 i could experiment with tubes which sound more airy and detaily and brighter.to complement the bit darker sound compared to the velours....with some smart tuberolling i am sure this could be THE best mod ever for a hifiman headphone...no matter the price!!

..f..ck...i hate it now that i sold my evil 337.. biggrin.gif

but then again..my new amp will be super dynamic and punchy....is it possible that this modulor supercharged/grill modded/headbandmodded he500 combined with a supersecret amp could be a serious contenter for any other (higher end) headphone rig??? Who knows!! Stay tuned for more biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 8/7/13 at 1:51pm
post #790 of 1702
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Originally Posted by kernel8888 View Post

So i received my velour pads today, and became very hesitant when I was faced with attempting to cut into them. So instead I applied steps 2 & 4 of this mod, adding back vents and the sub bass mod. Haven't been able to demo this set up enough to comment, but I may also try to apply the sub bass mod to the whole pad rather than the sub bass with back vents.

If you want, I can try to assist and walk you though the velour portion - just shoot me a PM biggrin.gif

post #791 of 1702
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

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I received the modular pads!!

and i did it..i managed to change the pads..hourah!!!! biggrin.gif

first listening impressions..damn wish i had my evil unforgiving 337 now..with him i am sure i could give a better impression then this multi hundreds watts onkyo speakeramp.... But i will try

1. This sound needs to get customed to!! I come from the velvetly lightling fast excellent lighter sounding velours pads..so first hour it was hard to like the new fuller more agressive sound.
But after a while my ears and mind got customed to the sound..

And this is what i like more then the velours:

1. That bass!! Omg..especially with bass guitars and trobones..eery how low it goes now..and i love some heavy metallica and some of the lower (evilish) voices almost give me the shivers now..that evil they sound now...so much more power!
2. Mids..female voice sound more real..(adele sounds so lush now!!)
3. Decay..it looks like that music has longer time to get to pure silence..i love that!!
4. Black is blacker!! Cant explain it better
5. Sound is a bit more in yar face..fuller..supercharged..with velours its a bit more laidback.

This is what i found less then the velours
1. Soundstage is less airy..less speaker like..just a bit..but it can also be that i have to get customed to it and the pads needs burn in time..
2. Female voices dont get to the higher octaves (marah carey and sarah brighton)..burn in time?
3. Sound is a bit congested compared to the velours..burn in time?
4. Less air around the instruments...again burn in time?

All with all i consider the modular pads as supercharged pleathers...they come very close to the goods points of the velours combined with the very good points the pleathers have.

For me its a keeper..NOT PERFECT..BUT..

but then again...if i had my 337 i could experiment with tubes which sound more airy and detaily and brighter.to complement the bit darker sound compared to the velours....with some smart tuberolling i am sure this could be THE best mod ever for a hifiman headphone...no matter the price!!

..f..ck...i hate it now that i sold my evil 337.. biggrin.gif

but then again..my new amp will be super dynamic and punchy....is it possible that this modular supercharged/grill modded/headbandmodded he500 combined with a supersecret amp could be a serious contenter for any other (higher end) headphone rig??? Who knows!! Stay tuned for more biggrin.gif

 

 

Thanks for the colourful impressions rolleyes.gif

 

Again, I bring up the infogram I made earlier

 

 

The goal isn't to somehow magically make earpads that are perfect in all aspects, but to simply get close to the compromise center point. And as you might note, that is aptly achieved.

post #792 of 1702
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Thanks for the colourful impressions rolleyes.gif


Again, I bring up the infogram I made earlier




The goal isn't to somehow magically make earpads that are perfect in all aspects, but to simply get close to the compromise center point. And as you might note, that is aptly achieved.
Yep i agree...it does own most of the good things of both velours and pleathers....and i think ur jerg grill mod (and mine is one of the most extreme kind as u may know) helps to better the listening experience.

by the way..i tried tulle on my jerg modded grills...and it really made the soundstage worse! it was really clear to hear... so i guess i keep my headphones without any dust protection. or until anyone has a solution.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 8/7/13 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

If you want, I can try to assist and walk you though the velour portion - just shoot me a PM biggrin.gif

 

I may... I'm just trying to decide if the benefits will be worth the effort. I like the sound of these and am wondering if the sub bass mod #4 along the whole ring of the pad, rather than 3/4 with back vents will increase the bass substantially, It sounds like the main benefit I will receive from applying the velour material to the pleathers will be better bass?
post #794 of 1702
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Originally Posted by kernel8888 View Post

 

I may... I'm just trying to decide if the benefits will be worth the effort. I like the sound of these and am wondering if the sub bass mod #4 along the whole ring of the pad, rather than 3/4 with back vents will increase the bass substantially, It sounds like the main benefit I will receive from applying the velour material to the pleathers will be better bass?

The velour is only supposed to add airiness and comfort. As far as the sub bass mod goes, if the increase in bass is merely from securing the pad to the headphone and therefore helping reverberate bass throughout the pad, I'm not sure that securing all 4 sections as opposed to 3 will make much difference but the lack of vent might.

post #795 of 1702
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Originally Posted by kernel8888 View Post

 

I may... I'm just trying to decide if the benefits will be worth the effort. I like the sound of these and am wondering if the sub bass mod #4 along the whole ring of the pad, rather than 3/4 with back vents will increase the bass substantially, It sounds like the main benefit I will receive from applying the velour material to the pleathers will be better bass?

No, having the entire pad base adhered to the cups makes no further difference on sub-bass, relative to just 3/4 taped, and last quarter used for the back vents.

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