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post #691 of 1702

Sorry but I missed it earlier, what is the effect of the bass mod with these pads?

post #692 of 1702

I'd gladly pay 60 dollars for such pads, if I hadn't already modded mine.

post #693 of 1702

This. Can't wait until he does a second run.

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I'd gladly pay 60 dollars for such pads, if I hadn't already modded mine.

post #694 of 1702
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Sorry but I missed it earlier, what is the effect of the bass mod with these pads?

Bass extension. Coupled with the slight bass hump of pleather earpads, it gives off a much more satisfying and forceful bass than velour pads.

 

Basically stock pleather pads don't have good sub-bass conduction due to its thinness and softness, the subbass mod does what Audeze does with their pads - adhere the base of the earpads to the cups so low frequencies conduct incredibly well.

post #695 of 1702
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Bass extension. Coupled with the slight bass hump of pleather earpads, it gives off a much more satisfying and forceful bass than velour pads.

 

Basically stock pleather pads don't have good sub-bass conduction due to its thinness and softness, the subbass mod does what Audeze does with their pads - adhere the base of the earpads to the cups so low frequencies conduct incredibly well.

Jerg, how much does the mod increase the width/depth of the soundstage, if at all.

post #696 of 1702
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Jerg, how much does the mod increase the width/depth of the soundstage, if at all.

Hard to quantify but it definitely is much more spacious-sounding than stock pleathers, and it's a "blacker background" than velour pads' headstage presentation. So it's a noticeable improvement in soundstage over stock pleathers, and is a different presentation of soundstage (not necessarily different in projected size) than velours. Not sure if that helps answer your question.

post #697 of 1702

Modulor, when you are ready for 2nd batch, I am in.  I need to support you so you can get your new DAC soon beerchug.gif

Keep up the great work.

post #698 of 1702
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Hard to quantify but it definitely is much more spacious-sounding than stock pleathers, and it's a "blacker background" than velour pads' headstage presentation. So it's a noticeable improvement in soundstage over stock pleathers, and is a different presentation of soundstage (not necessarily different in projected size) than velours. Not sure if that helps answer your question.

Yeah after exclusively listening to my HE500 for a while, I went back and tried out my AKG K702 65th Annies, and that was the most noticeable benefit of the Annies.  Now I miss the airiness of the 65th Annies when I listen to my HE500.  I'm using the stock pleathers.

post #699 of 1702
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Yeah after exclusively listening to my HE500 for a while, I went back and tried out my AKG K702 65th Annies, and that was the most noticeable benefit of the Annies.  Now I miss the airiness of the 65th Annies when I listen to my HE500.  I'm using the stock pleathers.

You'd heavily appreciate the improvement then. What I despised about stock pleathers is the absolute lack of "air" / background ambiance, it sounds stuffy and humid.

post #700 of 1702
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You'd heavily appreciate the improvement then. What I despised about stock pleathers is the absolute lack of "air" / background ambiance, it sounds stuffy and humid.

Yeah the velours seem too flat to me.

post #701 of 1702

Personally, I don't really think the sound stage changes with jerg's, but the imaging does get better, and the sound seems to decay a bit further out in the sound horizon with more realism to it.

post #702 of 1702
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Personally, I don't really think the sound stage changes with jerg's, but the imaging does get better, and the sound seems to decay a bit further out in the sound horizon with more realism to it.

*With the HE500s, pretty much exactly this. It always sounds like a "mini-theatre in the head" with regular non-binaural music and no surround-sound DSPs messing around.

 

HE400 seems to have a bit more of a reactive sound stage though.


Edited by jerg - 7/25/13 at 7:39am
post #703 of 1702
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Personally, I don't really think the sound stage changes with jerg's, but the imaging does get better, and the sound seems to decay a bit further out in the sound horizon with more realism to it.

*With the HE500s, pretty much exactly this. It always sounds like a "mini-theatre in the head" with regular non-binaural music and no surround-sound DSPs messing around.

 

HE400 seems to have a bit more of a reactive sound stage though.

See, that is quite interesting. I have no experience with the 400s and jerg's, so what I said were only based on the 500.

post #704 of 1702

I have a little bit of an idea here. I know a few people, and myself, that aren't sold on the back-vent mod because of the gaps it creates between the pad and headphone allowing for dust to enter the driver. 

 

Now I noticed in modulor's jergpads that he still provides the foam ring, but with holes punched in them. What if, rather than use foam cutouts to create this gap I mentioned, you just cut the foam ring into say a quarter of it's length, and place it inside the pad aligned with the yokes. This way you will still have the back of the pads raised slightly, but with the added benefit of being able to seal the pad on the headphone all around for the sub bass mod to conduct bass better and leave no gap for dust.

 

What do you think of this Jerg?

post #705 of 1702
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

I have a little bit of an idea here. I know a few people, and myself, that aren't sold on the back-vent mod because of the gaps it creates between the pad and headphone allowing for dust to enter the driver. 

 

Now I noticed in modulor's jergpads that he still provides the foam ring, but with holes punched in them. What if, rather than use foam cutouts to create this gap I mentioned, you just cut the foam ring into say a quarter of it's length, and place it inside the pad aligned with the yokes. This way you will still have the back of the pads raised slightly, but with the added benefit of being able to seal the pad on the headphone all around for the sub bass mod to conduct bass better and leave no gap for dust.

 

What do you think of this Jerg?

The foam inserts are dense enough that they might as well be solid rubber, so nah. What I did do though was to cut out some small strips from ear cushion foam:

 

 

As these foams are much looser. Then I just adhered the little strips in between the blocks that prop up the earpads at the back-vents.

 

Not necessary but it's a bit of extra work for a little insurance if you want that.

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