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post #556 of 1702
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How about detail level, soundstage, imaging, treble, bass extention?

HE400s = more perceived detail and clarity, HE500s = more transparency to music and detail sounds more natural. Soundstage/imaging/treble&bass extension are about the same. 

post #557 of 1702
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HE400s = more perceived detail and clarity, HE500s = more transparency to music and detail sounds more natural. Soundstage/imaging/treble&bass extension are about the same. 

On that note, how does the bass impact/presence compare on both models?

post #558 of 1702
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HE400s = more perceived detail and clarity, HE500s = more transparency to music and detail sounds more natural. Soundstage/imaging/treble&bass extension are about the same. 

 

That's interesting. Is that with or without the Jergpad mods? What's the lowest bass frequency extension that these can hit? 

post #559 of 1702
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On that note, how does the bass impact/presence compare on both models?

 

HE400 by nature has more tactile-sounding than HE-500, which has more presence. Some call HE-500 bass a bit wooly but that's up for debate.

 

Appending my statement earlier, I'd say HE500's bass edges out a bit in terms of bass extension though. It's not much but HE400 driver gives up around 25 Hz while HE500s go on til about 20 Hz. Practically that is fairly negligible.

post #560 of 1702
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HE400 by nature has more tactile-sounding than HE-500, which has more presence. Some call HE-500 bass a bit wooly but that's up for debate.

 

Appending my statement earlier, I'd say HE500's bass edges out a bit in terms of bass extension though. It's not much but HE400 driver gives up around 25 Hz while HE500s go on til about 20 Hz. Practically that is fairly negligible.

Interesting. I like the HE 400's but the treble really bothers me. Hopefully the Jergpad will remedy that enough for me. Due to the treble I was thinking perhaps I made a mistake buying the HE 400's over the HE 500's.

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Interesting. I like the HE 400's but the treble really bothers me. Hopefully the Jergpad will remedy that enough for me. Due to the treble I was thinking perhaps I made a mistake buying the HE 400's over the HE 500's.

It's interesting because HE400's treble aggressiveness is literally the polar opposite of HE500's. With jergpads (or even the pleather pads) the HE500 have some of the most forgiving sweet treble, almost to the point of being boring. HE400s on the other hand have a hyper-detailed in-your-face treble, that is mostly reined under control with pleathers / jergpads, but the colouration is still there.

post #562 of 1702
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HE400s = more perceived detail and clarity, HE500s = more transparency to music and detail sounds more natural. Soundstage/imaging/treble&bass extension are about the same. 

 

That's really interesting. I always thought for some reason that on the HE500s, treble extension as well as soundstage height was higher which was another major reason why I was considering buying the HE500s! I guess the HE400s are really for me! Thanks again for your response!

post #563 of 1702
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Interesting. I like the HE 400's but the treble really bothers me. Hopefully the Jergpad will remedy that enough for me. Due to the treble I was thinking perhaps I made a mistake buying the HE 400's over the HE 500's.


Jergpad mod solved any treble issues for me and I'm convinced it will do for you as well. No tizz no nothin'.

post #564 of 1702
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That's really interesting. I always thought for some reason that on the HE500s, treble extension as well as soundstage height was higher which was another major reason why I was considering buying the HE500s! I guess the HE400s are really for me! Thanks again for your response!

If you look at measurements (HE500 top, HE400 bottom):

 

 

1000

 

 

 

 

Both HE400 and HE500 treble extend to beyond your hearing sensitivities, so it doesn't matter. What does matter however is how the treble is coloured differently between the two headphones.

post #565 of 1702
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Jergpad mod solved any treble issues for me and I'm convinced it will do for you as well. No tizz no nothin'.

Ok well ive listened to my part 1 modded jergpads and it definitely tames the treble but theres still some sibilance and cymbals just sound smeared like there's too much decay.
post #566 of 1702
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Ok well ive listened to my part 1 modded jergpads and it definitely tames the treble but theres still some sibilance and cymbals just sound smeared like there's too much decay.

I'm afraid that is the nature of HE400's sound, where the upper treble emphasizes tizz in music. The mod has a systematic attenuation of treble but the treble colouration is more or less still there, just much less offensive than before.

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I'm afraid that is the nature of HE400's sound, where the upper treble emphasizes tizz in music. The mod has a systematic attenuation of treble but the treble colouration is more or less still there, just much less offensive than before.

It may be exacerbated by the Meier Quickstep I'm using. I guess I'll have to just use the Apex glacier as that seems to smooth the sound over.

Do head-direct have a change of mind return policy?
post #568 of 1702
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It may be exacerbated by the Meier Quickstep I'm using. I guess I'll have to just use the Apex glacier as that seems to smooth the sound over.

Do head-direct have a change of mind return policy?

Dunno isn't it 30 day refund?

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Personally I've come to doubt how much I like the HE-500's bass. It does not seem that realistic, it is almost a little wooly actually. It is only slight though, but it is enough for the bass to seem a bit too present (but not exaggerated) and not precise enough. It seems slightly too resonant or something, does not decay fast enough. Just some thoughts. This is with jergpads ver. 1.1.

post #570 of 1702
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Ohh, thank you. Wondering if the bass measurements might be better with velours? To me the velours yield the cleanest bass. Not that I like that presentation better, since the bass lacks body. I like to have my music 'grounded' and not having it 'floating around' if that makes sense

Those measurements of HE500 THD WERE measured with velour pads (and the HE400s with pleather pads). The bass difference between the two headphones is intrinsic to the drivers, and even with pad choices that you'd assume equalize those differences, they really don't.


Edited by jerg - 3/19/13 at 2:24am
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