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post #316 of 1702
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Exactly why I am sitting and pulling out my hair with my mind!

I have the J$'s and the sound just isn't the same.

 

EDIT: Just switched. Happy smile on my face biggrin.gif Maybe I'm gonna make some more holes. Will they sound more full with more dampening, because what I need is a more full sound?

Sound over comfort, as always, anyway. Now I remember why buying the etymotic hf5 (aka. brainplugs)

 

Another EDIT: I find it funny how the vocals seem warm enough, but still need more weight and body. A bit more deep bass and a bit less of the high mids, and I think the sound would be PERFECT.

 

I suppose you won't be needing those J$s anymore, want to send them my way? wink.gif

post #317 of 1702
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Glad you're enjoying it! Yeah the whole motivation behind me getting the courage to cut into my pleather pads in the first place was the fact that the HE500s just didn't sound 100% "right" in upper end balance and it bugged me to hell, so I took the risk and tinkered out this mod. The privilege to just sit back and enjoy the music with absolutely no complaints about the headphone's sound signature is sublime indeed.

 

Yes it is.

 

I  was able to EQ the annoyances out but only if I was using software, going direct from CD to dac/amp I didn't have that option. Therefore the JergMod was the perfect solution.

 

I Thank you for your bravery and commend you on your wisdom in even considering that damping was the issue.

post #318 of 1702
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

I suppose you won't be needing those J$s anymore, want to send them my way? wink.gif

I just... can't. Love their feel, and even their smell. Seriously...

post #319 of 1702

Okay, here's an HE-500 earpad mod for those who don't want to cut holes in their eapads, like me. It's called the Jerkpad mod, after myself. You just get some cotton balls, tease them out and ease them up under the earpads. This not only damps whatever needle-like resonances may be lurking there, but takes the ear a little further from the driver, thus giving a more expansive soundstage. It also seems to largely remove that "cupped" sound to which I object on this phone.

 

 

 

You see that I haven't done mine very evenly or neatly. That's because I'm lazy. Obviously you can tease out the cotton as much as you like, thus expanding or contracting the distance from driver to ear. Other substances than cotton balls can of course be used.

 

By god I'm brilliant. biggrin.gif

post #320 of 1702
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

Okay, here's an HE-500 earpad mod for those who don't want to cut holes in their eapads, like me. It's called the Jerkpad mod, after myself. You just get some cotton balls, tease them out and ease them up under the earpads. This not only damps whatever needle-like resonances may be lurking there, but takes the ear a little further from the driver, thus giving a more expansive soundstage. It also seems to largely remove that "cupped" sound to which I object on this phone.

 

 

 

You see that I haven't done mine very evenly or neatly. That's because I'm lazy. Obviously you can tease out the cotton as much as you like, thus expanding or contracting the distance from driver to ear. Other substances than cotton balls can of course be used.

 

By god I'm brilliant. biggrin.gif

I tried that before, trust me I've tried a lot of things. Adding cotton under the pleathers kills bass extension and really dilutes the midrange, also it hardens the pleather foam because the cotton squeezes upwards so comfort is questionable. There was some damping effects but not nearly as effective as adding perforations on the pad undersides. Overall the minor SQ improvement in some aspects was not worth the tradeoff of the significant SQ degradation in other aspects, as well as comfort decrease.

post #321 of 1702

My post was of course mildly tongue-in-cheek, yet I was just listening to some familiar orchestral music and I really do prefer it that way--it really does reduce that "recorded in a cave" effect that I complain about so often and so loudly. In any case it--or a variation thereof--may be a viable alternative to those who don't want to risk wrecking their earpads in case of resale (outside the US pleather earpads are about $35). 

post #322 of 1702
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My post was of course mildly tongue-in-cheek, yet I was just listening to some familiar orchestral music and I really do prefer it that way--it really does reduce that "recorded in a cave" effect that I complain about so often and so loudly. In any case it--or a variation thereof--may be a viable alternative to those who don't want to risk wrecking their earpads in case of resale (outside the US pleather earpads are about $35). 

If you worry about resale value so much then just go with velour earpads. It is a much better compromise than the default pleathers without extensive permanent modding. IMO most people just opt for velours with HE500 anyway so Hifiman pleathers tend to be collecting dust in a drawer.

post #323 of 1702

Uncomfortable. Hard as a rock. Hifiman need to get in touch with Beyer about the design of velour earpads.

post #324 of 1702
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Am I the only one to finde the J$ a bit sibilant and fatigueing? They have amazing bass punch and quality, but they seem a bit tinny in sound still. And tizzy.


I found the J$ very fatiguing, so I had to get rid of them.  

 

the leather retains too much of the sound

post #325 of 1702
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

Uncomfortable. Hard as a rock. Hifiman need to get in touch with Beyer about the design of velour earpads.

It will be better when you have used them for a while. You might consider washing them

 

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I found the J$ very fatiguing, so I had to get rid of them.  

 

the leather retains too much of the sound


Why haven't I heard that before I boughtbiggrin.gif

Well, the resale value will only increase in some months when Wayne is out of stock...

post #326 of 1702
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Originally Posted by mac336 View Post


I found the J$ very fatiguing, so I had to get rid of them.  

 

the leather retains too much of the sound

 

Does that mean you can still hear the music coming from the leather after you take them off?

 

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post #327 of 1702

Jerg do you find that with this mod for the HE400 that bass doesn't seem to have as much impact? Im going back and forth between the velour and the jergpad and I find in some songs that the velour has more impact, and perhaps a little better separation. It's really hard to tell, and maybe there is a placebo effect going on, but for some reason when listening with the jergpad I feel as though there was a little more bass and slightly better separation the last time I heard that song with velours. 

post #328 of 1702
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

Jerg do you find that with this mod for the HE400 that bass doesn't seem to have as much impact? Im going back and forth between the velour and the jergpad and I find in some songs that the velour has more impact, and perhaps a little better separation. It's really hard to tell, and maybe there is a placebo effect going on, but for some reason when listening with the jergpad I feel as though there was a little more bass and slightly better separation the last time I heard that song with velours. 

I feel that the velours seem to render bass in a way that has a lot of tactility, but less texture/growl. Default pleathers just have muddy bass, and jergpad mod brings the bass texture up a lot, though the tactility still trails behind thicker pads like velours/J$s. I guess I prefer it because it is a more musical and less "fun" bass, but I understand your view on the difference.

 

The sound is still not perfect with jergpads but it is as good of a compromise as we can pull off in terms of pad-fi so far. IMO someone with more experience in making pads (e.g. Lawton guys) could really look into designing the perfect pads for Hifiman headphones, in the image of pleathers (not too thick, and fairly big opening).


Edited by jerg - 2/8/13 at 2:04am
post #329 of 1702
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

It will be better when you have used them for a while. You might consider washing them

 


 

Washing? How? And what purpose would it have? Thanks for explaining.rolleyes.gif

post #330 of 1702
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

I feel that the velours seem to render bass in a way that has a lot of tactility, but less texture/growl. Default pleathers just have muddy bass, and jergpad mod brings the bass texture up a lot, though the tactility still trails behind thicker pads like velours/J$s. I guess I prefer it because it is a more musical and less "fun" bass, but I understand your view on the difference.

 

The sound is still not perfect with jergpads but it is as good of a compromise as we can pull off in terms of pad-fi so far. IMO someone with more experience in making pads (e.g. Lawton guys) could really look into designing the perfect pads for Hifiman headphones, in the image of pleathers (not too thick, and fairly big opening).

 

It may have something to do with the fact that with the velours your ears are further from the driver. Some report that you get better bass when you lift the driver from your ears to create a bigger distance.

 

What about the instrument separation? Not sure if my ears are playing tricks on me but I get the feeling that wih velour I can hear individual instruments with better clarity, while the jergpad seems to give priority to vocals so background instruments seems slightly pushed back.

 

None of these are criticism of the mod, it's just a different tonality which some would prefer. Im still on the fence though. Im with you 100% about designing the perfect earpad. There's much more performance to be extracted from pad-fi, this mod proves it, we just need the perfect compromise if that's even possible.

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