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post #301 of 1661
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

Comfort-wise judging from the time i've spent with these so far, I think I would be able to last a lot longer than bare pleathers. I think I'll be sticking with these over the velours for the time being, they are a definite improvement over those sound wise.

Understandable. At least with HE400s the driver surface is largely flat, with HE500s/6 etc there is a big nasty steel strut that runs across the middle which absolutely irritates the ear if it even barely touches that.

 

 

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Like I mentioned in the first post, the primary reason why I did the vent mod was not to boost SQ, but to give that little extra bit of distance between the outer rim of my ears and that metal strut. Interestingly it had a fairly noticeable effect on the SQ so I added it.

post #302 of 1661

I don't understand this: The HE-500 has emphasised other mids, the HE-400 is supposed to be the opposite. But how come the jergpads work out well for both? Something I misunderstood?

post #303 of 1661
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I don't understand this: The HE-500 has emphasised other mids, the HE-400 is supposed to be the opposite. But how come the jergpads work out well for both? Something I misunderstood?

I guess the jergpads just allow the right amount of damping of the sound. And the backvents let out some air while making the pads a tiny bit stiffer and roomy.

 

I don't the think the problems lies in the drivers, I don't think there's a an actual big treble peak in the he-400 driver for instance. It's probably just the housing and the pads that cause this.

post #304 of 1661

Am I the only one to finde the J$ a bit sibilant and fatigueing? They have amazing bass punch and quality, but they seem a bit tinny in sound still. And tizzy.

post #305 of 1661

^^ is that compared to the jerg pads/ velours?

 

I should be getting the J$s soon, I hope it's not much more tizzy/ tinny sounding than normal.

post #306 of 1661
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I don't understand this: The HE-500 has emphasised other mids, the HE-400 is supposed to be the opposite. But how come the jergpads work out well for both? Something I misunderstood?

Because the mod does not add colouration to the sound, but instead removes colouration so midrange comes through with more transparency regardless of if it's HE500 or HE400. The tonal balance doesn't matter.

post #307 of 1661
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

^^ is that compared to the jerg pads/ velours?

 

I should be getting the J$s soon, I hope it's not much more tizzy/ tinny sounding than normal.


Just found that they seem slightly sibilant in general. But I am used to the Jerg's/pleathers. I do not remember the velours to have sibilant tendencies, they just seemed a bit bright.

post #308 of 1661
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Just found that they seem slightly sibilant in general. But I am used to the Jerg's/pleathers. I do not remember the velours to have sibilant tendencies, they just seemed a bit bright.

Yeah, the smooth balanced treble is unmatched with pleathers compared to any other pads I've tried, the mod essentially just tries to solve the issues that pleathers have. If another earpad had the same tonal balance in the treble as pleathers then I would not have bothered trying to mod it in the first place.

post #309 of 1661

I ended up taking off thpse foam rings from the front of the pads, i think it did something odd with the sound. It seemed to tone down the treble making it harder to pick out micro details. Right now without those foam rings my ears touch the drivers, but only slightly. Do you think this could be bad for the drivers in the long run?

post #310 of 1661
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I ended up taking off thpse foam rings from the front of the pads, i think it did something odd with the sound. It seemed to tone down the treble making it harder to pick out micro details. Right now without those foam rings my ears touch the drivers, but only slightly. Do you think this could be bad for the drivers in the long run?

Hell no. I know you attached the dust screen back, so there is absolutely no risk to the drivers. Even if your ears are plastered completely onto the drivers it would not do anything to the drivers, since they are just rigid acrylic+steel assemblies holding the magnets in-place, and won't budge unless you smash them with a hammer. Like I mentioned in the past, even when exposed to air and dust, HE400 diaphragms are hardy enough not to be at risk of anything short of sandstorms.

post #311 of 1661

Cool thanks, good to know my HE-400s have a chance in a sandstorm :)

post #312 of 1661

Now I am thinking whether I should make more holes... Or not?

 

Jerg, maybe you can guide me. What do you think more holes would do with the sound sig?

post #313 of 1661

I did about 24 holes and NO vent mod and was very happy with the resulting signature.


Then I got a moon blue dragon cable for my 500's and am sooo pleased that I did.

 

Now my 500's from the Lyr with CCa tubes sounds just as I imagined they would when i started this headphone obsession way back when. 

 

Now I can sit back and enjoy the music for a while. I've reached a point where I'm very happy with my setup (Performance to $$ wise).
 

 

Thanks again Jerg, your mod really helped remove the niggling sibilance and fatigue issue that I was experiencing.

post #314 of 1661
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Now I am thinking whether I should make more holes... Or not?

 

Jerg, maybe you can guide me. What do you think more holes would do with the sound sig?

IMO having about 1:1 area of holes vs underside-pleather is a good compromise to aim for, this way there is sufficient damping without much risk of losing the integrity of the earpads being held together. Doesn't matter how good we want the sound to get, if the pad is going to pop open and become useless in a few months of use, then it is not worth it.

 

 

 

 

 


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Originally Posted by eddiek997 View Post

I did about 24 holes and NO vent mod and was very happy with the resulting signature.


Then I got a moon blue dragon cable for my 500's and am sooo pleased that I did.

 

Now my 500's from the Lyr with CCa tubes sounds just as I imagined they would when i started this headphone obsession way back when. 

 

Now I can sit back and enjoy the music for a while. I've reached a point where I'm very happy with my setup (Performance to $$ wise).
 

 

Thanks again Jerg, your mod really helped remove the niggling sibilance and fatigue issue that I was experiencing.

 

Glad you're enjoying it! Yeah the whole motivation behind me getting the courage to cut into my pleather pads in the first place was the fact that the HE500s just didn't sound 100% "right" in upper end balance and it bugged me to hell, so I took the risk and tinkered out this mod. The privilege to just sit back and enjoy the music with absolutely no complaints about the headphone's sound signature is sublime indeed.


Edited by jerg - 2/7/13 at 10:20am
post #315 of 1661
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Glad you're enjoying it! Yeah the whole motivation behind me getting the courage to cut into my pleather pads in the first place was the fact that the HE500s just didn't sound 100% "right" in upper end balance and it bugged me to hell, so I took the risk and tinkered out this mod. The privilege to just sit back and enjoy the music with absolutely no complaints about the headphone's sound signature is sublime indeed.

Exactly why I am sitting and pulling out my hair with my mind!

I have the J$'s and the sound just isn't the same.

 

EDIT: Just switched. Happy smile on my face biggrin.gif Maybe I'm gonna make some more holes. Will they sound more full with more dampening, because what I need is a more full sound?

Sound over comfort, as always, anyway. Now I remember why buying the etymotic hf5 (aka. brainplugs)

 

Another EDIT: I find it funny how the vocals seem warm enough, but still need more weight and body. A bit more deep bass and a bit less of the high mids, and I think the sound would be PERFECT.


Edited by davidsh - 2/7/13 at 10:39am
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