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post #166 of 1702
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Try wash the velours, maybe in a washing machine.

 

 

 

I will give that I try. I think that I might try hand washing first. I not sure that the aggressiveness of most washing machines is the best bet. While I'm still on the issue of the Velours I tried to take the foam spacer from the Pleaters with most agree does not help their sound and put it in the Velours. I like it for comfort, and I do not hear a major difference in the sound.  

 

I also thinking about trying some other damping ideas on the Pleathers, even though I'm not quite ready to permanently change the pads. I'm pretty sure I'm keeping them, but what will it hurt to play around with felt, spacers, tape, and any other thing I or someone else thinks of. 

 

I have been wondering about this for a while so I'm curious has any one tried to modify the retaining ring it self? It seems like the holes could be expanded. I have to concerns about it. The first is that removing to much material might leave the ring non functional. This does not seem to be a huge deal, the ring does not have major stress placed on it, and could likely be much less robust then it is and still function. Second does it have a point, this one I'm less sure of. Would allowing greater access to pad change the sonic signature. I'd be happy to read peoples experiences, or thoughts. 

 

At some point I will try making my own out of leather I have all the stuff, by I'm at college, and its all in a storage unit.

 

Last Jerg thanks for the ideas I'm glad you posted them, if nothing else they have me less worried about playing around. and have given me ideas on what types of things generally change the sound in what types of ways.

post #167 of 1702
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Look forward to some LCD3 earpad impressions on HE500, and comparison with Jergpads!

 

 


Edited by jerg - 1/25/13 at 3:10pm
post #168 of 1702
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Look forward to some LCD3 earpad impressions on HE500, and comparison with Jergpads!



....and the he400s????? Lol
post #169 of 1702
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....and the he400s????? Lol

Terrible synergy, did not bother listening with that combo (HE400+LCD3pads) for more than 30 seconds.

post #170 of 1702
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Terrible synergy, did not bother listening with that combo (HE400+LCD3pads) for more than 30 seconds.

That's good to know. I hope you have better luck with the he500s. I think I remember you saying that another member really likes that combo (memory is poor, I'm paraphrasing here)
post #171 of 1702
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That's good to know. I hope you have better luck with the he500s. I think I remember you saying that another member really likes that combo (memory is poor, I'm paraphrasing here)

That's dleblanc343, and he has the LCD3 pads with HE6. Also, these are his pads rolleyes.gif.

post #172 of 1702
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That's dleblanc343, and he has the LCD3 pads with HE6. Also, these are his pads rolleyes.gif
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He6. That's what it was. Sorry I screwed that up. I'm curious as to what the angle of the pads will do to the over all sound signature (if anything). I have never tried on a pair. They look comfy though. Just the like J$ Beyers.
post #173 of 1702
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He6. That's what it was. Sorry I screwed that up. I'm curious as to what the angle of the pads will do to the over all sound signature (if anything). I have never tried on a pair. They look comfy though. Just the like J$ Beyers.

They are way more comfortable than J$ beyers. It's not even comparable.

post #174 of 1702

 

This is my version of the 'Jergpads'.

 

They look nice, they are super comfortable, and the sound is really balanced.

 

Yet soundstage and imaging is a bit better with the velour imo. However, the sound is so unbalanced coming from the jergpads.

 

I would like to do some experimenting with fillers. Something porous, yet a bit thinner than the stock spacers.

post #175 of 1702
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This is my version of the 'Jergpads'.

They look nice, they are super comfortable, and the sound is really balanced.

Yet soundstage and imaging is a bit better with the velour imo. However, the sound is so unbalanced coming from the jergpads.

I would like to do some experimenting with fillers. Something porous, yet a bit thinner than the stock spacers.

Is that red stitching?? Very clean looking
post #176 of 1702
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Is that red stitching?? Very clean looking

No that's brownish-red stitching. I love brown stitching in leather paired with blue!

 

And thanks! Took me a while :D

post #177 of 1702
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Was able to demo the LCD3 earpads with HE500 (thanks dleblanc343) for this weekend.

 

 

Feel:

 

The comfort level is nothing short of astonishing, especially considering how thick these pads are. The softness of the foam and leather are leagues ahead of anything else I’ve tried (including the J$s). The pads just melt onto your head. Seriously, the lambskin leather that J$ pads use feel like cheap cowhide compared to the lambskin used on these.

 

 

Treble:

 

Treble quantity is quite a bit more than pleathers/jergpads, and is about as much as the velour pads, but much, much smoother-sounding. Treble extension is readily boosted, which contributes greatly to the sense of air and sparkle. That extra sparkle might excite some people (who seek air and upper treble microdetail) but might frustrate others (who like a more liquid and rolled-off treble). Overall treble is presented very smoothly though, and the air complements well with Hifiman planars which are by default very open-sounding.

 

A minor SQ annoyance that surfaces after I listen to it for a while is that there seems to be a slight glare in the lower treble with these pads that make vocals / violin sound a little tipsy and fatiguing (but not so bad that it is aggressive); could be attributed to the angling of the pads, or underdamping (it doesn’t have any damping holes unlike e.g. J$s). This makes my ears ring if I listen to a violin track for a few minutes at high volumes, though at low~moderate volumes it is fairly null of an issue.

 

 

Midrange:

 

There is a fineness to the midrange that makes it sound very smooth and transparent.  Overall tonality of the mids seem to be favouring the lower midrange and de-emphasizing the upper midrange slightly, this shift reminds me of how HE400s sound, but not nearly as much in colouration and laid-back-ness.

 

Imaging is excellent on these, and there is a very refined sense of openness and air, moreso than even the velour pads if you can believe it. Attributed to the angling of the pads and added distance from the drivers to the ears.

 

 

Bass:

 

Bass is interestingly enough attenuated down a fair bit; likely due to the ultra-low density of the foam used in the padding, that ends up conducting bass less well. The tightness and texture of bass is still there in spades, and is very tactile, but less rumble-y.

 

 

Conclusion:

 

Overall the sound with HE500+LCD3 pads is pretty much what an extremely refined, smooth, transparent / less-coloured, and better-extended HE400 might sound like. There are a few small issues like I mentioned, but I could definitely live happily with this sound signature.

 

 

 

 

Short summary of how they compare directly against Jergpads, LCD3 pads are:

 

 -more open-sounding and transparent

 -brighter and a bit more fatiguing (glare)

 -better treble extension / more upper treble emphasis

 -more laid-back and polite midrange (less engaging)

 -decreased bass quantity with less rumble and more tactility

 -very, very refined and smooth overall (hard to say if more or less than Jergpads), with the tonality that transforms HE500’s sound into what a perfected HE400-like sound would sound like.

 

I still feel the Jergpads are the best with regards to rendering vocals realistically.


Edited by jerg - 1/25/13 at 4:34pm
post #178 of 1702

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Very interesting indeed, though the sound character of those lcd3 pads does not really appeal to me. 

 

 

Actually after listening a bit more to the jergs I find soundstage to have a bit more layering, than with the velours.

This is logical if you think about it, the velours are heavier padded, leaving more space between the ear and the driver.

 

So with velours the soundstage is bigger, but that's because the driver is farther away. And every sound seemed to compressed together a bit more.

 

With the pleathers voices seem closer, but other instruments definitely have better and a more natural layering.

 

I'm not sure about the differences in seperation though.

post #179 of 1702

Arghhh!!! Just spend 35 bucks on pleather pads. Now 59 bucks on J$. You want me to cash out another 100 for Audeze pads?!? Damn you, Jerg biggrin.gif (greetings from my wallet)

post #180 of 1702
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Arghhh!!! Just spend 35 bucks on pleather pads. Now 59 bucks on J$. You want me to cash out another 100 for Audeze pads?!? Damn you, Jerg biggrin.gif (greetings from my wallet)

Actually you can't even buy LCD3 pads. Audez'e ONLY sells them (for like $150) to existing LCD3 owners. So unless you know someone well who owns a pair of LCD3s and is willing to get these pads for ya, it'd be impossible to get them.

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