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Originally Posted by bourbonhoova View Post
 

Can anyone make a comparison between the HP50 and any of these 3 headphones, just in terms of sound quality...        Shure SRH940, Audio Technica ATH-ESW9 or the AKG K550?

I'm trying to choose a closed-back model mainly for at-home listening, and I want to keep to a budget of $300AUS if possible. My at-home listening set-up currently is HE-500, Audio-GD SA-31SE, M2Tech Hiface and lap-top. On the whole, I'm quite content with this rig, it's just that I have a tendency to get tempted to turn the volume up evidently a little too loud at times. I've had tinnitus permanently since I first got a bit carried away when testing how a DT990 sound when you actually turn them up loud enough to enjoy the midrange (about a year or so ago), and this seems to be my major issue with open back headphones... the bar has been lifted in terms of the level of detail and instrument separation that I crave now, but even though I don't think I ever turn them up stupidly loud these days, I'm often torn between being careful not to risk exacerbating my tinnitus and having the music at a level where you feel immersed in the music in the same way as listening to a good stereo system. So my next headphone purchase will be of the sealed cup variety.

I have auditioned and was impressed with the SRH940 and the ATH-ESW9. Decided against picking up the Shures because I wanted a bit more weight in the bass and couldn't go for the Audio-Technica's because I thought durability wasn't good enough for a portable phone. I mentioned the K550 because I think it could be another viable option in the price range.

I would describe myself as a bass-head but I demand a good level of detail and a fully 'rounded' sound. If I can't have a basshead can that is also a genuine audiophile performer within this budget, then I'll settle for a more neutral headphone - as long as it does have punch to the bass and can do sub-bass. Definitely wouldn't be happy with something on the bass-light side of neutral. The opinions on the bass of the HP50 seem to vary quite a bit from what I've read. Obviously there's little doubt that they offer good value for money. 

I also own IE80s (which I love) and QuietComfort 2. Thanks a lot (in advance) for any opinions/comparisons.

I might use the cans outside the house from time to time but portability isn't a priority at all.

 

You consider yourself a bass head, but want refinement? AKG K545 is awaiting your purchase.

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I recommend the K545 as it will give you more bass than the 940 and K550 while retaining a good midrange and not as strong a treble for long listening sessions.
post #648 of 1308
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

There's more to measurements than just FR response. The distortion and impulse responses are a bit better on the NADs (as are both square wave responses). Plus the mids are a bit further subdued on the V-Modas and the treble a little more uneven.

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/NADVISOHP50.pdf

and

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/VModaM100.pdf

 

Keep in mind that Tyll takes measurements for both innerfidelity.com and Headroom, BUT, the innerfidelity plots are an average of 5 different measurements of 5 different locations on the dummy's head. So I tend to follow them instead. Hopefully he can get the ability to overlay them like Headroom does as it makes comparisons a whole lot easier.

 

Just for the record, I'm a big fan of the M-100s as well. 

 

+1.

Also, there's the associated gear being used for the testing, and its particular interface with the headphones being tested.

post #649 of 1308
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Originally Posted by torcik View Post
 

Anyone know where I can get a longer cable for the NAD visio?


The V Moda audio-only cable should work with them.

 

http://v-moda.com/audio-only-cable/

post #650 of 1308
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Originally Posted by bourbonhoova View Post
 

Can anyone make a comparison between the HP50 and any of these 3 headphones, just in terms of sound quality...        Shure SRH940, Audio Technica ATH-ESW9 or the AKG K550?

I'm trying to choose a closed-back model mainly for at-home listening, and I want to keep to a budget of $300AUS if possible. My at-home listening set-up currently is HE-500, Audio-GD SA-31SE, M2Tech Hiface and lap-top. On the whole, I'm quite content with this rig, it's just that I have a tendency to get tempted to turn the volume up evidently a little too loud at times. I've had tinnitus permanently since I first got a bit carried away when testing how a DT990 sound when you actually turn them up loud enough to enjoy the midrange (about a year or so ago), and this seems to be my major issue with open back headphones... the bar has been lifted in terms of the level of detail and instrument separation that I crave now, but even though I don't think I ever turn them up stupidly loud these days, I'm often torn between being careful not to risk exacerbating my tinnitus and having the music at a level where you feel immersed in the music in the same way as listening to a good stereo system. So my next headphone purchase will be of the sealed cup variety.

I have auditioned and was impressed with the SRH940 and the ATH-ESW9. Decided against picking up the Shures because I wanted a bit more weight in the bass and couldn't go for the Audio-Technica's because I thought durability wasn't good enough for a portable phone. I mentioned the K550 because I think it could be another viable option in the price range.

I would describe myself as a bass-head but I demand a good level of detail and a fully 'rounded' sound. If I can't have a basshead can that is also a genuine audiophile performer within this budget, then I'll settle for a more neutral headphone - as long as it does have punch to the bass and can do sub-bass. Definitely wouldn't be happy with something on the bass-light side of neutral. The opinions on the bass of the HP50 seem to vary quite a bit from what I've read. Obviously there's little doubt that they offer good value for money. 

I also own IE80s (which I love) and QuietComfort 2. Thanks a lot (in advance) for any opinions/comparisons.

I might use the cans outside the house from time to time but portability isn't a priority at all.

 

I've owned the 940's, the 550's, and the ESW9's;

and currently own the Momentum's and HP-50's/

 

 

If you found the bass of the 940's lacking (as I did, plus there were

some other aspects of their SQ I didn't like), you'll most likely find

the bass of the K550's lacking as well.

 

The HP50's and Momentum's, to my ears, provide more bass than

the other three headphones..

 

And the HP50's and Momentum's seem to have a similar bass response.to

each other.

(BTW, I use various setups for listening, but here I'll assume use of an IBasso DX50,

flac files only, a JDS Labs O2 amplifier, and Cardas connecting cable.)

 

As for which I like more of those two...not entirely sure yet - and I've had them both

for a few months already.  I find myself listening to the Momentum's more often so

I guess that says something - as mentioned from time to time in this thread and

elsewhere, the HP50's - with all of their strengths - have a sort of "unreal" aspect

to their sound.  Yet I'd have to say, at the same time, that I like the HP50's

overall more than the Momentum's since overall I just think  they're better,

truer sounding headphones. 

 

Another factor, or perhaps "wild card" in my listening to these five headphones, and the main reason

I no longer own the first three (940's, ESW9's, and K550') regards the Sony MDR-7520's which best all five of them IMO.

The HP50's isolate more effectively than the 7520's, and the Momentum's have smaller earcups which I find useful

for listening while lying down.  Also, the HP50's and Momentum's do sound very good indeed and provide variety

to my closed headphone listening. But if I had to pick only one set of headphones out of all of these, I'd choose

the 7520's. (There's a large thread on them here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/682534/sony-mdr-7520/720#post_10207344)

 

 

TL;DR: HP50's over Shure 940's, AT ESW9A's, and AKG K550's.

 

[Edit: Added TL;DR]


Edited by zazex - 1/29/14 at 12:57am
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Are the NAD HP50 more of a "studio monitor" or "consumer" type sound? Studio monitor would be "dry, neutral detailed" and consumer would be "nice / smooth sounding, natural, not dry or harsh etc." These look interesting and NAD is my favourite audio brand but I read someone said they are "dry" sounding and I do not like this... Can anyone give me some info plz,

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Are the NAD HP50 more of a "studio monitor" or "consumer" type sound? Studio monitor would be "dry, neutral detailed" and consumer would be "nice / smooth sounding, natural, not dry or harsh etc." These look interesting and NAD is my favourite audio brand but I read someone said they are "dry" sounding and I do not like this... Can anyone give me some info plz,

 

Consumer.  They aren't neutral or dry, quite the opposite actually.  They offer a bit of a thicker sound that is warm, I wouldn't call the sound wet though.  It's a smooth warm signature that is very enjoyable without being harsh one bit. 

post #653 of 1308
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Consumer.  They aren't neutral or dry, quite the opposite actually.  They offer a bit of a thicker sound that is warm, I wouldn't call the sound wet though.  It's a smooth warm signature that is very enjoyable without being harsh one bit. 

 

Hmm the NAD HP50 and D1050 combo are looking tempting, then I would have NAD 326bee, NAD headphones and NAD 1050 :D. I expect that they would work well together because equipment from the same manufacturer always seems to work best. I literally could not be any happier with all the NAD equipment I have owned, I think they are the best value / performance hifi brand.


Edited by nicholars - 1/28/14 at 10:25am
post #654 of 1308
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Are the NAD HP50 more of a "studio monitor" or "consumer" type sound? Studio monitor would be "dry, neutral detailed" and consumer would be "nice / smooth sounding, natural, not dry or harsh etc." These look interesting and NAD is my favourite audio brand but I read someone said they are "dry" sounding and I do not like this... Can anyone give me some info plz,

 

Consumer.  They aren't neutral or dry, quite the opposite actually.  They offer a bit of a thicker sound that is warm, I wouldn't call the sound wet though.  It's a smooth warm signature that is very enjoyable without being harsh one bit. 

Despite being smooth in the treble, I find these NADs to be very neutral.  In fact, they are the first headphone I've heard that hardly lends hardly any tonal flavour to the music.  I feel I am hearing things as the artist/producer intended.  There is something very lifelike about the mids.  I love these headphones more each time I listen to them.

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post
 

 

Consumer.  They aren't neutral or dry, quite the opposite actually.  They offer a bit of a thicker sound that is warm, I wouldn't call the sound wet though.  It's a smooth warm signature that is very enjoyable without being harsh one bit. 

 

Hmm the NAD HP50 and D1050 combo are looking tempting, then I would have NAD 326bee, NAD headphones and NAD 1050 :D. I expect that they would work well together because equipment from the same manufacturer always seems to work best. I literally could not be any happier with all the NAD equipment I have owned, I think they are the best value / performance hifi brand.

I used to have a NAD 3155 amp that I loved and I used to love going to a friend's house and listening to his Dad's NAD Hifi system in my youth. so I've always had a soft spot for this brand.  Having them release headphones is like something I might have had a dream about!  I jumped on the chance to try them out and they haven't disappointed in any way.  My endgame for closed cans, thank you!  I don't think NAD have ever made a disappointing product, have they?  They are experts in their field and know what they are doing.  If it's good enough for NAD, it's good enough for me! 

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Despite being smooth in the treble, I find these NADs to be very neutral.  In fact, they are the first headphone I've heard that hardly lends hardly any tonal flavour to the music.  I feel I am hearing things as the artist/producer intended.  There is something very lifelike about the mids.  I love these headphones more each time I listen to them.

 

They are linear, but with a bass tilt.  I can see them being described as somewhere in between.  They are colored due to the warm tilt though. 

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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post
 

I used to have a NAD 3155 amp that I loved and I used to love going to a friend's house and listening to his Dad's NAD Hifi system in my youth. so I've always had a soft spot for this brand.  Having them release headphones is like something I might have had a dream about!  I jumped on the chance to try them out and they haven't disappointed in any way.  My endgame for closed cans, thank you!  I don't think NAD have ever made a disappointing product, have they?  They are experts in their field and know what they are doing.  If it's good enough for NAD, it's good enough for me! 

 

No I don't think they have, every NAD product I have owned, I have never been disappointed, I think the products always get a good balance between detailed / analytical and natural / fun sounding. Most manufacturers are one or the other but NAD gets it right. I also like the build quality and the styling of their products.

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You consider yourself a bass head, but want refinement? AKG K545 is awaiting your purchase.

From what I've been reading K545's are a great choice. I ordered a set of those and HP50's.

 

I have to give a shout out to razordogaudio

 

Brian is a great guy to deal with and he answered all my stupid questions. Price was great, also.

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NAD HP50 Viso is absolutely zero fun in stock rendition. As for it being neutral I have never ever heard real sound sound this dark. So I started to play with the EQ controls as it was never going to cut it for purposes where I would really want a neutral tonal balance. I play a lot of pinball and I know how the real machines should sound as distorted they may be at times :)

 

 

On my RX-VRDS440 I find myself upping the treble 10 db until I can´t raise it anymore. This is a big improvement and overall the headphones do sound more realistic across the board. Sure as you would expect the mids may loose some of it´s smooth stuff due to the added compression in stock form it sound so muted. Easy listening for sure but...

 

Hooking it up to my PC just mere onboard stuff on my Asus Z-87Pro haswell mainboard. I have to say this is the first onboard solution I heard in a long time that really works. Quite neutral and I don´t get the regular hiss or distortion I am used  to! Goldpoint Headphone Pro as amplifier I start to apply some of it´s very aggressive presets. It has one "treble" which lowers the bass and boost the treble and boy did the HP50 get fun and lively to listen to. This do add some colouration so may bee a bit much but for my pinball it sound much more like the real deal with some simple tweaks got it even better. I was surprised exactly how agile and fun it could be made with EQ. Question is how the drivers would hold up to this treatment since it´s not exactly small EQ necessary to make the tonal balance right on this. 

 

Am I the only one finding these really dark sounding more times then not?

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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post
 

NAD HP50 Viso is absolutely zero fun in stock rendition. As for it being neutral I have never ever heard real sound sound this dark. So I started to play with the EQ controls as it was never going to cut it for purposes where I would really want a neutral tonal balance. I play a lot of pinball and I know how the real machines should sound as distorted they may be at times :)

 

 

On my RX-VRDS440 I find myself upping the treble 10 db until I can´t raise it anymore. This is a big improvement and overall the headphones do sound more realistic across the board. Sure as you would expect the mids may loose some of it´s smooth stuff due to the added compression in stock form it sound so muted. Easy listening for sure but...

 

Hooking it up to my PC just mere onboard stuff on my Asus Z-87Pro haswell mainboard. I have to say this is the first onboard solution I heard in a long time that really works. Quite neutral and I don´t get the regular hiss or distortion I am used  to! Goldpoint Headphone Pro as amplifier I start to apply some of it´s very aggressive presets. It has one "treble" which lowers the bass and boost the treble and boy did the HP50 get fun and lively to listen to. This do add some colouration so may bee a bit much but for my pinball it sound much more like the real deal with some simple tweaks got it even better. I was surprised exactly how agile and fun it could be made with EQ. Question is how the drivers would hold up to this treatment since it´s not exactly small EQ necessary to make the tonal balance right on this. 

 

Am I the only one finding these really dark sounding more times then not?

They definitely have a darkness to the signature, but it's only like taking headphones off and listening to the same track on good speakers in a room.  Most music isn't recorded and mastered with headphone users as the primary method of consumption, so a lot of stuff sounds wrong when drivers are placed that close to the ears, especially the treble, with details sticking out as prominently as the sounds themselves.  To me, this is the NAD Roomfeel technology, enabling the headphones to sound more like monitors in a room.  I like it a lot.  I hear all the detail I hear in other cans, just not right up in my face.

 

I'm getting more and more used to the unique presentation of these headphones, but they do sound somewhat darker when ABing with my other headphones, yet with no loss of detail, which is great.  They do sound much closer to speakers in a room though, which isn't a bad thing.  The kind of treble energy you're describing putting into these cans would sound painful coming out of loudspeakers.

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