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In terms of other closed-back over-ear headphones, what could be considered a "clear" upgrade from the HP50?  I've read some comparisons of headphones in the same price range (i.e. Focal Spirits, AKG 500-line, Sennheiser Momentum, etc), but none of them seem to be obviously better.  I'm wondering how it would compare to 'phones in a higher price range.  I've read MrSpeakers Alpha Dog ($600) mentioned as a potential candidate.  Any other suggestions?

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Originally Posted by RiddleyWalker View Post

In terms of other closed-back over-ear headphones, what could be considered a "clear" upgrade from the HP50?  I've read some comparisons of headphones in the same price range (i.e. Focal Spirits, AKG 500-line, Sennheiser Momentum, etc), but none of them seem to be obviously better.  I'm wondering how it would compare to 'phones in a higher price range.  I've read MrSpeakers Alpha Dog ($600) mentioned as a potential candidate.  Any other suggestions?
I've chosen Alpha Dogs for upgrade. They are heavier, yes. But I used nads not for portable use. But ADs are more comfortable, more cosidered for long listening sessions due to better headbend design and alpha pads. ADs give better soundstage and instruments placing. ADs much more interesting in highs. ADs with doggie treats give a variety of sound tuning options. But forget about portability and ability to play from a pocket size device - I find ADs quite difficult to be driven even with Centrance HiFi m8, which has a really powerful output.
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I use the hp50 with my iPhone through the line out with an E11 playing Spotify (320kbps) and on my Mac through the headphone jack also playing Spotify.

Would the headphones benefit from using FLAC/ lossless files instead of 320kbps, and would i be able to tell a difference?

I would think it very difficult if not impossible to reliably tell the difference. Most people who think they can are wrong and have never attempted to prove it using blind testing. Try it yourself, put the same song on your device twice, named differently, one lossless, one 320. Have a friend help you, get them to do say 10 trials that they randomly decide which file plays and for how long (2 minutes per trial for instance). If you can hear the difference around 75% of the time that means you are reliably hearing the difference, if it is 50% or less, that is explainable by pure chance.

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I would think it very difficult if not impossible to reliably tell the difference. Most people who think they can are wrong and have never attempted to prove it using blind testing. Try it yourself, put the same song on your device twice, named differently, one lossless, one 320. Have a friend help you, get them to do say 10 trials that they randomly decide which file plays and for how long (2 minutes per trial for instance). If you can hear the difference around 75% of the time that means you are reliably hearing the difference, if it is 50% or less, that is explainable by pure chance.

 

Don't forget they have to be volume matched. 

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Don't forget they have to be volume matched. 


Thought I had mentioned that my bad. Volume matching would be critical as apparently our psychoacoustic brain interprets louder as sounding better (up to a point of course, too loud will have the opposite effect).

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These headphones were a really pleasant surprise. I've reviewed them and compared them to AKG K545, k550, Focal Spirit Classic, Spirit One S, Sony MDR-1R here.
Well written review!!! Than you for taking the time to compare the HPs!! Really assures me that my money was well spent on my HP50s
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I would think it very difficult if not impossible to reliably tell the difference. Most people who think they can are wrong and have never attempted to prove it using blind testing. Try it yourself, put the same song on your device twice, named differently, one lossless, one 320. Have a friend help you, get them to do say 10 trials that they randomly decide which file plays and for how long (2 minutes per trial for instance). If you can hear the difference around 75% of the time that means you are reliably hearing the difference, if it is 50% or less, that is explainable by pure chance.

Thank you for the response I'll try it out


Edited by Hi-Fi Guy - Yesterday at 9:21 pm
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Thank you for the response I'll try it out


It is a great idea to do this as it may make some future decisions easier to live with. For instance, if you determine that you are not able to distinguish between lossless and 320 with any reliability you might save money and rather than purchase a album in lossless you might save a little and opt for 320 downloads. I find music like electronica to be a great candidate for 320 versus going lossless. While I can't prove this, I feel that it is reasonable that music that is more complex in structure or diversity of instruments, or using tonally complex instruments is a better candidate for lossless as there are likely more nuanced elements that might be trimmed with compression.

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Well written review!!! Than you for taking the time to compare the HPs!! Really assures me that my money was well spent on my HP50s

Thank you, Rick and indeed :)

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It is a great idea to do this as it may make some future decisions easier to live with. For instance, if you determine that you are not able to distinguish between lossless and 320 with any reliability you might save money and rather than purchase a album in lossless you might save a little and opt for 320 downloads. I find music like electronica to be a great candidate for 320 versus going lossless. While I can't prove this, I feel that it is reasonable that music that is more complex in structure or diversity of instruments, or using tonally complex instruments is a better candidate for lossless as there are likely more nuanced elements that might be trimmed with compression.

 

The GoldenEars challenge included some mp3(including 320k) vs lossless tests.


Edited by dan.gheorghe - Today at 7:08 am
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I would think it very difficult if not impossible to reliably tell the difference. Most people who think they can are wrong and have never attempted to prove it using blind testing. Try it yourself, put the same song on your device twice, named differently, one lossless, one 320. Have a friend help you, get them to do say 10 trials that they randomly decide which file plays and for how long (2 minutes per trial for instance). If you can hear the difference around 75% of the time that means you are reliably hearing the difference, if it is 50% or less, that is explainable by pure chance.

75% is still random guessing, and I agree most if not all so called "audiophiles" would fail a correctly conducted DBT.

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75% is still random guessing, and I agree most if not all so called "audiophiles" would fail a correctly conducted DBT.


I'm not sure 75% would be random guessing, but perhaps it still wouldn't be a statistically significant result, not really sure as this would be a subject where there are no population norms from which to start the comparison. Personally, if somebody was able to pick out the differences 75% of the time, I would feel fairly confident that they were indeed hearing a difference. Perhaps that number should be moved up to 80%?

 

I am going to try this experiment with my brother who is an audio nut and very much skeptical of the golden ear that is widely accepted to exist. I would be shocked if I could tell the difference in a well designed experiment. I also have read a great deal about the whole high resolution files and I will not waste any of my money ever again at HD Tracks and other sites selling these high rez files. The support for such files is quite weak and even if there was a difference, it must be so very, very small as to be questionably even audible. Again, I would love to see these golden eared proponents of high resolution files be subjected to well designed blind testing and see how reliable those golden ears are.

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