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I just got the NAD HP50 yesterday afternoon and I concur with everything the thread starter mentioned except for the comfort portion. My ears aren't that big and wearing it last night for 2 hours, I have to take off the headphones every half hour to give my ears a breather to relieve the pain lol. But still I love this pair of headphones and will continue using it for the foreseeable future.


Edited by delrosa81 - 6/19/14 at 5:55pm
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I'm guessing that a key element to the great sounds from these headphones comes from the seal that they create. I think the company was really set on a guaranteeing that these phones always create a good seal, and that's led to comfort issues. I have to say that over the past few days I've found that they've relaxed a bit and I can wear them for longer and longer periods without having to remove them. The overall quality of the sound seem to keep improving as well. Still blown away by how spacious the sound is. It's my first time listening to music and being aware of the position of all the audio sources. I'm really enjoying the balance of the sound. These phones are also making me more aware of when there is poor production value with some songs, given that I often listen to music through Songza.

post #1188 of 1369
Guess I've a small head as with most headphones I don't need to extend the headband at all or if I do it's only 1 notch and I find the HP50's very comfortable in all areas including my ears fitting nicely in earcups.

From a purely aesthetic point of view, these headcans have a squareness to them largely due to the headband design that could have been toned down a bit I guess.

I don't know about NAD achieving a room speaker type sound they claim of, but these cans do seem to upscale noticeably. Plugging directly into source DAP with these cans is good SQ, but using my Fiio E17 really opens things up smily_headphones1.gif

With regards people with larger heads experiencing pressure point on top of head - what about using some cotton wool placed under the headband on problem spot? Just a thought smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by cb3723 - 6/20/14 at 4:16pm
post #1189 of 1369

I'm looking for something to buy next and this headphone is on that list:

B&W P5 220€

B&W P7 399E

NAD Viso HP50 ~280€

BO H6 399€

KEF M500 300€

 

I currently have IE800, Momentum over-ear and newest model of Skullcandy Aviator. Out of those the Aviator sounds best without any EQ. I don't do EQ. Aviators have very clean mids and highs which I like. But at high volumes they can get a bit screechy.

 

IE800 is is basically what I'm looking for but with much less bass. Aviators and Momentum have a good amount of bass to my tastes. I listen to all genres of music so the headphones cannot be a one trick pony.

 

One thing I also appreciate in a headphone is quality of materials and portability. I don't find the Momentum to be really portable as they don't collapse or fall flat. Materials though are top notch.

 

I'm kinda leaning towards B&W P5 for the construction and I read that they have a mid-centric sound I might like. I'm unable to test-drive any of the headphones so I'm doing extensive research into these headphones.

post #1190 of 1369
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Originally Posted by stuzzyapple View Post
 

I’m looking into getting these but the comfort issue concerns me a little.


I guess that it is hard to know until you try them.

I go with a vote of them being quite comfortable.

I have never felt any pain from wearing mine. My ears "bottom out" slightly, but not enough to bother me.

When adjusted well, I can wear them for at least a couple of hours without knowing they are on my head.

That is longer than I usually have headphones on my head without taking them off for a bit.

 

This is all about how they feel to you though, and what your listening habits are.  Just from reading here, the percentage of people with fit/comfort problems is less than those who use the HP50 and have no problems with comfort at all.

 

For nothing other than the SQ, you should give them a shot.


Edited by mandrake50 - 6/22/14 at 4:58pm
post #1191 of 1369
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Originally Posted by traiven3d View Post

I'm guessing that a key element to the great sounds from these headphones comes from the seal that they create. I think the company was really set on a guaranteeing that these phones always create a good seal, and that's led to comfort issues. I have to say that over the past few days I've found that they've relaxed a bit and I can wear them for longer and longer periods without having to remove them. The overall quality of the sound seem to keep improving as well. Still blown away by how spacious the sound is. It's my first time listening to music and being aware of the position of all the audio sources. I'm really enjoying the balance of the sound. These phones are also making me more aware of when there is poor production value with some songs, given that I often listen to music through Songza.

I never really considered the hp50 spacious.
If anything I felt they were fairly closed in like the m50
Maybe I'm overly spoiled by TOTL phones
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Originally Posted by Syvere View Post

I'm looking for something to buy next and this headphone is on that list:
B&W P5 220€
B&W P7 399E
NAD Viso HP50 ~280€
BO H6 399€
KEF M500 300€

I currently have IE800, Momentum over-ear and newest model of Skullcandy Aviator. Out of those the Aviator sounds best without any EQ. I don't do EQ. Aviators have very clean mids and highs which I like. But at high volumes they can get a bit screechy.

IE800 is is basically what I'm looking for but with much less bass. Aviators and Momentum have a good amount of bass to my tastes. I listen to all genres of music so the headphones cannot be a one trick pony.

One thing I also appreciate in a headphone is quality of materials and portability. I don't find the Momentum to be really portable as they don't collapse or fall flat. Materials though are top notch.

I'm kinda leaning towards B&W P5 for the construction and I read that they have a mid-centric sound I might like. I'm unable to test-drive any of the headphones so I'm doing extensive research into these headphones.
*gets ready to be shot*
I would say the hp50 is just an overall upgrade over the aviators
The hp50 along with the momentum are the only sub $300 headphones I enjoy.
They both have clear deficiencies across the board but for the price they offer great value.
The hp50 are quite large but folded up and put in the case, they're slimmer compared to the momentums in the hard shell case
Edited by GL1TCH3D - 6/23/14 at 2:24pm
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For those of you with the crown pain over time...Sennie 650 head cushion perfect for  NAD HP-50's....length-wise and width 1".....

I may keep this one and pick up a pair again....missing the 50's already.

You will note the lack of cushion at the crown spreading the balance distribution left and right.

You'd need to glue it to the existing headband though

 

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Originally Posted by Lohb View Post
 

For those of you with the crown pain over time...Sennie 650 head cushion perfect for  NAD HP-50's....length-wise and width 1".....

I may keep this one and pick up a pair again....missing the 50's already.

You will note the lack of cushion at the crown spreading the balance distribution left and right.

You'd need to glue it to the existing headband though

 

 

That looks very promising for people having comfort issues.

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It is 1 inch wide and from memory should be OK but you need to measure under the headband to be doubly sure 1 inch width will not over-extend each side of the curved headband pleather as the backing of the Sennie 650 cushion is rigid plastic.

They are easy to pick up online.


Edited by Lohb - 6/24/14 at 10:37am
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I've had the HP50 for about a month now and I'm loving it!  I agree with most all of the sound-quality related praise it has received.  A few notes:

 

- Yes, the headband design isn't the best, but the metal is flexible enough that with continued use and some intentional bending (like the flat bill of a new hat) the band gradually forms a curve that fits better across your head.  After a month the headband is actually super comfy to me.  Still doesn't look the sexiest, and I think it should be redesigned when (if) NAD's successor to the HP50 is being developed.

 

- Coming from a slightly pedestrian Sony closed-back with heavy bass, I initially felt the lows were a bit lacking on some songs on the HP50.  Good on analog / bass guitar recordings, a bit weak on (certain) digital pop/EDM/hip-hop recordings.  However, I picked up Audioquest's Dragonfly DAC/amp (1.2) and once it was set up properly, the bass was richer, the sound was "fuller" and it breathed life into some of my less-dynamic recordings.

 

- I prefer to use this headphone as a "portable" headphone rather than a "mobile" headphone.  What I mean is that the HP50 is very easy to stow in the included case, along with the included accessory pouch (you can also put the Dragonfly or other small USB dac/amp in the pouch comfortably), and throw it in your computer bag or luggage.  It doesn't take up much space, and all you need is a source (usually for me, my Macbook Air) for fantastic sound on-the-go.  My job sometimes requires me to travel and spend a few days in a hotel, and a "portable" solution like this is awesome for me.  Now, for "mobile" applications (listening while walking around, in an airplane, etc) I prefer IEMs, because I can comfortably fit them in my pocket, they look better, and I can do the "take one earbud out" trick when I have to be aware of my surroundings or talk to someone.

 

- I wish it came with a better/longer cord, or that more aftermarket options were available.  Right now I'm looking at Alpha Design Labs (ADL) iHP-35 (http://www.adl-av.com/products/cables/headphone/), because somebody in another thread confirmed they work on the HP50.  Wondering if it's worth the ~$100 or if I should just get one of the V-Moda cords for $20.

 

 

TL;DR VERSION:  Headband looks dorky but comfy after break-in; HP50 + Dragonfly is an amazing cheap (~$450) combo; needs better cord.

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Originally Posted by daltonlanny View Post
 

Does NAD or anyone else make a longer headphone cable for the HP50?

Monoprice has some new cables in.

 

"3.5mm Flat Audio Cable 3ft – Black

The key to this cable is the small shank between the actual 3.5mm plug and the connector housing. It is 3.3mm long and 5.7mm in diameter, which is long and thin enough to allow for a good connection through almost any protective case.

This cable features a flat cord design that measures 3.5mm wide and 1.5mm thick. The connectors are gold plated for smooth, corrosion-free connections.

This cable has a 3.5mm stereo male plug on each end."

 

They have them in 3, 6, and 10 foot lengths. In Black they are items 11502, 11506, and 11513 respectively. They have them in black, white, blue, red and what looks like a shade of pink.

I ordered some, but have not received them yet. They look like they should work and are very inexpensive.


Edited by mandrake50 - 6/24/14 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by mandrake50 View Post
 

Monoprice has some new cables in.

 

"3.5mm Flat Audio Cable 3ft – Black

The key to this cable is the small shank between the actual 3.5mm plug and the connector housing. It is 3.3mm long and 5.7mm in diameter, which is long and thin enough to allow for a good connection through almost any protective case.

This cable features a flat cord design that measures 3.5mm wide and 1.5mm thick. The connectors are gold plated for smooth, corrosion-free connections.

This cable has a 3.5mm stereo male plug on each end."

 

They have them in 3, 6, and 10 foot lengths. In Black they are items 11502, 11506, and 11513 respectively. They have them in black, white, blue, red and what looks like a shade of pink.

I ordered some, but have not received them yet. They look like they should work and are very inexpensive.

Let us know if they fit.  As you know if you searched this thread or have been keeping up on it only two or 3 cables have been verified to fit.

 

This would be great news if they fit without modding the plastic around the jack.

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If my measurements are even close they should fit. They should be pretty close as I used a set of dial calipers. I measured the stock connector housing at 6.5 mm outside diameter and it goes inside the collar on the phones to a depth of   about 2.6 mm.

Monoprice says the OD of the shoulder on their plug is 5.7 mm  and it is 3.3 mm long. It should fit comfortably.

 

From their description:

 

"The key to this cable is the small shank between the actual 3.5mm plug and the connector housing. It is 3.3mm long and 5.7mm in diameter."

 

I will let everyone know once I try them. I ordered today, I hope to have them by the end of this week.

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Originally Posted by mandrake50 View Post
 


If my measurements are even close they should fit. They should be pretty close as I used a set of dial calipers. I measured the stock connector housing at 6.5 mm outside diameter and it goes inside the collar on the phones to a depth of   about 2.6 mm.

Monoprice says the OD of the shoulder on their plug is 5.7 mm  and it is 3.3 mm long. It should fit comfortably.

 

From their description:

 

"The key to this cable is the small shank between the actual 3.5mm plug and the connector housing. It is 3.3mm long and 5.7mm in diameter."

 

I will let everyone know once I try them. I ordered today, I hope to have them by the end of this week.

IIRC the problem was not with the outside diameter of the barrel of the plug, but more with the base of the TRS connector.  See the pic and description of the issue from my perspective in this post:

 

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I think the opening just before the jack connection was where it has issues with some plugs, but I could be wrong.  I hope it works.


Edited by bixby - 6/24/14 at 5:03pm
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 I do have 4 other cables that work, but I don't like them for different reasons. None of them have that additional little collar like the stock ones. There is also (I looked) no matching recess around the jack on the HP50 for that collar.

 

This is one example:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Aux-Audio-Flat-Cable/dp/B0049EWO7A/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1403655620&sr=1-2&keywords=griffin+flat+cable

 

They do work, but I wanted something longer.

 

The problem I have seen with connectors like the Neutrik in your photo is that the will not fully seat because the body of the plug does not fit into the recess  far enough.

 

I hope they do work, it will give us another option, and an inexpensive one at that.

 

I got a shipment notification, so we will see pretty soon.

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