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post #46 of 78
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Originally Posted by foreign View Post

Just bought the little dot mk3 I am very impressed the hd650 sounds fantastic. The bass is very punchy soundstage is huge and I still have to burn the tubes in properly. The Stx amp and dac were a little boring without the external amp. Now I know why the hd650 and tube amps are well regarded in head hifi. :-)

Glad you are enjoying your setup.

With the 650's its all about the extension , once you dig the extension it turns into something else :)

post #47 of 78
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

You mean the hifiman he-400 & he-500 I guess. Or something like hd598 ?

 

Well, the hd650 is an old classic. But it's expensive,  and other options appeared in the market.

Especially if you are not happy with the recessed treble of hd650, there's either the hd800, or much cheaper alternatives from other brands biggrin.gif.

 

Personally I run the hd800 from the xonar stx, and I don't care if it's not the "best" synergy.

So I can only laugh when someone says that the xonar stx is enough good for the hd650.

Especially the usual complain for the xonar stx is that it sounds "bright",

and that the hd650 sound "dark", I can only imagine, that on contrary there's  a kind of  "synnergy".

Unless you'd like to bring out some artificial lushness & euphony with tubes.

Yes the Hifiman models.

You were right after all , the STX is really good but I was using a absurd EQ at that time. (My ears were infected - Not literally)

Now flat is something else and is a lot of fun :) 

Are you just using the STX with you 800's ?

post #48 of 78
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Are you just using the STX with you 800's ?

yes, although I'm using currently an eq I've endlessly tweaked.

But there's not much amps available in the area I  live (morrocco) , and when I asked for advice at hydrogenaudio (to get a more objective point of view) ,   they explained me it's unnecessary to spend mega bucks on the source.

post #49 of 78
I think it all comes down to personal preference if it sounds good than stick with it and enjoy. I really do like the stx but to my ears I just feel like the tube amp was made for the hd650 call it coloured but this is the sound I've been looking for. I have also a headset which I drive primarily from the stx and not the tubes. It's also a Sennheiser :-)
post #50 of 78
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Originally Posted by MrTechAgent View Post

The STX is just a abuse to the 650's it cannot handle it.
I own both and I am pretty sure that the STX are anything but a volume boost if you will.
No amplification.
My opinion.

This million times.

A HD 518 with good amping will beat a HD 650 through a STX.
post #51 of 78
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This million times.

A HD 518 with good amping will beat a HD 650 through a STX.
Agreed Yeah I found the stx paired with the hd650 to be veiled. The hd650 is very picky to which amps drives them and the tubes give them that laid back signature.
Edited by foreign - 7/14/13 at 6:52am
post #52 of 78
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Agreed Yeah I found the stx paired with the hd650 to be veiled. The hd650 is very picky to which amps drives them and the tubes give them that laid back signature.

So are you stating that the tubes makes the hd650 less "veiled", and improve clarity ? Or is it just your brain that get used to the sound signature ?

Funny, when I think that some people actually use tubes to tame treble.

post #53 of 78
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This million times.

A HD 518 with good amping will beat a HD 650 through a STX.

I've seen some people raving that the ksc75 sound incredible with some ultra expensive source.

What can I say ? Throw audiophile cable,  ultra reliable power supply, high res playback in the mix.

post #54 of 78

Ahh man , why is there a debate again.

My harsh comments earlier were responsible for the absurd EQ I was using.

The STX is very good for its price , once you get used to flat sound (Junior Head-Fi'ers like me and others are having infected ears - Not literally , once you get used to flat its just something else)

Now my opinion has completely changed about this pair.
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

So are you stating that the tubes makes the hd650 less "veiled", and improve clarity ? Or is it just your brain that get used to the sound signature ?

Funny, when I think that some people actually use tubes to tame treble.

 

Yes its the brain :)

 

 

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Originally Posted by foreign View Post


Agreed Yeah I found the stx paired with the hd650 to be veiled. The hd650 is very picky to which amps drives them and the tubes give them that laid back signature.

 

Sir ! 

The 650 is not picky at all.

Can give me a detailed difference between both these Amps according to your experience.

Please cover everything if you can , so extrabigmehdi and I can understand what is really up.

post #55 of 78
If you are happy with the sound the stx amp delivers and it sounds good to you it is good. I don't want a debate about why I prefer a tube amp over the stx. It's just my opinion :-).
post #56 of 78
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Originally Posted by foreign View Post

If you are happy with the sound the stx amp delivers and it sounds good to you it is good. I don't want a debate about why I prefer a tube amp over the stx. It's just my opinion :-).


Great, I just wanted more explicit statements of you thoughts/ subjective impresions. When you state that the hd650 is veiled with the xonar stx, you imply it's less veiled with the tubes. But you  didn't confirm that last point.

post #57 of 78
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post



Great, I just wanted more explicit statements of you thoughts/ subjective impresions. When you state that the hd650 is veiled with the xonar stx, you imply it's less veiled with the tubes. But you  didn't confirm that last point.
If you want an honest opinion I do really like the stx dac its fast somewhat on the analytical side. Good detail and precise imaging. However I feel its a Dac 1st and an amp 2nd. The amp seems to make the bass of the hd650 not as punchy, the vocals just slightly lacking, less body. In comparison when paired with a tube amp the bass has further impact and is more balanced. It seems there is slightly better depth and extension. Mids are warmer and the soundstage is very pleasing.
:-) just my impressions though
post #58 of 78
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Originally Posted by MrTechAgent View Post

Ahh man , why is there a debate again.

My harsh comments earlier were responsible for the absurd EQ I was using.

The STX is very good for its price , once you get used to flat sound (Junior Head-Fi'ers like me and others are having infected ears - Not literally , once you get used to flat its just something else)

Now my opinion has completely changed about this pair.

 

Yes its the brain :)

 

 

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Originally Posted by foreign View Post


Agreed Yeah I found the stx paired with the hd650 to be veiled. The hd650 is very picky to which amps drives them and the tubes give them that laid back signature.

 

Sir ! 

The 650 is not picky at all.

Can give me a detailed difference between both these Amps according to your experience.

Please cover everything if you can , so extrabigmehdi and I can understand what is really up.

 

You are wondering why the 'debate' keeps on going but with statements like this, that fill up a large portion of not only this thread but head-fi as a whole:

 

[quote]

The STX is just a abuse to the 650's it cannot handle it.

I own both and I am pretty sure that the STX are anything but a volume boost if you will.

No amplification.

My opinion.[/quote]

 

...that you then later retract in its entirety (and rightfully so I have to add), maybe it's not such a mystery?

 

The STX is not a volume boost, it's a good amp that amps. There's a difference between 'good amps that amp' and 'amps that amp and also do something to the sound that may or may not be desirable'.


Edited by SunshineReggae - 7/15/13 at 7:50am
post #59 of 78
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Originally Posted by SunshineReggae View Post
There's a difference between 'good amps that amp' and 'amps that amp and also do something to the sound that may or may not be desirable'.

Yes !  And frankly I  don't see why the "desirable effects" couldn't be reproduced with regular dsp.

I  rather have a transparent source with a dsp that you can switch on/off, than a source with a "particular sound signature".

 

Check the "ifi ican" amp, that boasts Xbass & 3D Holographic Sound.

http://ifi-audio.com/en/iCAN.html

 

There's also the digizoid zo2, for those that want to stimulate a "mega bass".

post #60 of 78
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Originally Posted by extrabigmehdi View Post

Yes !  And frankly I  don't see why the "desirable effects" couldn't be reproduced with regular dsp.

I  rather have a transparent source with a dsp that you can switch on/off, than a source with a "particular sound signature".

 

Check the "ifi ican" amp, that boasts Xbass & 3D Holographic Sound.

http://ifi-audio.com/en/iCAN.html

 

There's also the digizoid zo2, for those that want to stimulate a "mega bass".


Well, it can be rather complicated to simulate a higher output impedance with dsp. Don't know why you would want to though. It's my experience that most users, not all, but most users, eventually get tired of bass boosts and just want high fidelity.

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