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Yup, the Mikros 90 is better than the FC300 imo.

post #92 of 258
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post
 

Yup, the Mikros 90 is better than the FC300 imo.

Mikros 90s are the most polarizing headphone I've ever read about. "They need burn in!" "They sound terrible!" "They're worth $300!" "Better than M500s!" "Koss clip-ons sound better!" I can't even figure out what to think about them anymore. I feel a bit tempted to try them just because of all the extremism.

post #93 of 258
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Originally Posted by Dragonzeanse View Post
 

Mikros 90s are the most polarizing headphone I've ever read about. "They need burn in!" "They sound terrible!" "They're worth $300!" "Better than M500s!" "Koss clip-ons sound better!" I can't even figure out what to think about them anymore. I feel a bit tempted to try them just because of all the extremism.

 

I was hesitant having read the threads. For $80 or so, it was an impulse buy to give them a try. For me they are in the wonderful, music "life-changing" camp. I can also see why others may hate them, though. The Onkyos are much more forgiving for bad recordings and for musicians a little shy on talent. The MLs have a good bit of clamping force. They may seem bass shy, as you cannot get a brain massage with the bass with them. You can with the Onkyos.


Edited by H T T - 5/3/14 at 12:24pm
post #94 of 258

Good lord, I just received my ES-FC300s today and the cables were the ******* hardest I've ever tried to attach. One of the worst "replaceable" cable implementations I've ever seen. I'm actually kind of afraid that these might be broken by now. Won't know until I give them a listen. Unlike my last ones, the diaphragms in these are crinkling, so that's good.


EDIT: wat. The ES-HF300s with the "better cable" are cheaper than the FC300s right now on Amazon. $129.99.


Edited by Dragonzeanse - 5/3/14 at 12:32pm
post #95 of 258

Tyll said he did not hear a difference with the "good" cable. Maybe my consumerism or insecurity showing, but I have this nagging thought that I should have got the "better" cable. 

post #96 of 258
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Tyll said he did not hear a difference with the "good" cable. Maybe my consumerism or insecurity showing, but I have this nagging thought that I should have got the "better" cable. 


Speaking as one of the people who snubs the audio industry snake oil, I really don't think it makes a difference. I won't lie and say I'm not curious to see if there really is a difference. But as Tyll said, the "audiophile-grade" cable is harder to plug in. I'd rather have some user-friendliness at the cost of whatever sound quality it purports to provide.

post #97 of 258
I just returned my HF300 because the cable was loose. Good headphone, terrible cable connectors.
post #98 of 258
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Originally Posted by Dragonzeanse View Post
 


Speaking as one of the people who snubs the audio industry snake oil, I really don't think it makes a difference. I won't lie and say I'm not curious to see if there really is a difference. But as Tyll said, the "audiophile-grade" cable is harder to plug in. I'd rather have some user-friendliness at the cost of whatever sound quality it purports to provide.

 

Thanks for slapping me back to my senses. I went with the flat cables because Tyll mentioned that they don't tangle as much. Still that nagging, "if they are more expensive, they have to be better"...

post #99 of 258
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I just returned my HF300 because the cable was loose. Good headphone, terrible cable connectors.


Agreed. I had to actually look at the manual to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong when attaching them. Between the reminder that any damage you do to the headphones is on you, and the awful means of connecting the cable, it's almost as if Onkyo wants you to break these. Nah, what am I thinking? No company would ever willingly sell a faulty product.

 

That all said, I got these working and they sound just as good as I remember, sans that horrible diaphragm issue. Ahhh, that bass.

post #100 of 258
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Originally Posted by Dragonzeanse View Post
 

Mikros 90s are the most polarizing headphone I've ever read about. "They need burn in!" "They sound terrible!" "They're worth $300!" "Better than M500s!" "Koss clip-ons sound better!" I can't even figure out what to think about them anymore. I feel a bit tempted to try them just because of all the extremism.


I have the Mikros and the ES FC300 and like them both.  The Mikros are certainly much better than their current price tag would indicate.  Initially, I found that the fit was a bit of a challenge.  Still, once you find the sweet spot, the clarity is remarkable...even compared to more expensive cans.  I followed the hype train on the Mikros thread for a while before I jumped on, and like some others have said I bought my ticket as much out of curiosity as anything else.  End result...not disappointed at all.

post #101 of 258
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I have the Mikros and the ES FC300 and like them both.  The Mikros are certainly much better than their current price tag would indicate.  Initially, I found that the fit was a bit of a challenge.  Still, once you find the sweet spot, the clarity is remarkable...even compared to more expensive cans.  I followed the hype train on the Mikros thread for a while before I jumped on, and like some others have said I bought my ticket as much out of curiosity as anything else.  End result...not disappointed at all.


I might have a gamble with them sometime. But for now, FC300s are my go-to. My SRH440s are going to be sitting on a shelf for a while until I fix that headband. It drives me nuts. I might want a DAC for that, too.

post #102 of 258
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Originally Posted by Dragonzeanse View Post
 


Speaking as one of the people who snubs the audio industry snake oil, I really don't think it makes a difference. I won't lie and say I'm not curious to see if there really is a difference. But as Tyll said, the "audiophile-grade" cable is harder to plug in. I'd rather have some user-friendliness at the cost of whatever sound quality it purports to provide.


I tried my Fiio cable from my SE 535's...same connectors...no problem connecting them.  I didn't hear any improvement.  The sock flat cable is definitely a better choice for portable use.

post #103 of 258
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Originally Posted by Dragonzeanse View Post
 

Mikros 90s are the most polarizing headphone I've ever read about. "They need burn in!" "They sound terrible!" "They're worth $300!" "Better than M500s!" "Koss clip-ons sound better!" I can't even figure out what to think about them anymore. I feel a bit tempted to try them just because of all the extremism.

 

I was hesitant having read the threads. For $80 or so, it was an impulse buy to give them a try. For me they are in the wonderful, music "life-changing" camp. I can also see why others may hate them, though. The Onkyos are much more forgiving for bad recordings and for musicians a little shy on talent. The MLs have a good bit of clamping force. They may seem bass shy, as you cannot get a brain massage with the bass with them. You can with the Onkyos.


I'm sure they sound good, but i just cannot get a good position for them on my ears. They roll inwards, which is the direction of the natural incline of my ears. Hence, they keep rolling forward. If I do find a sweet spot any movement of my head moves them off again.

I love the HF300s because of the deep, extended bass and reasonably balanced treble and mids.
post #104 of 258
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Thanks for slapping me back to my senses. I went with the flat cables because Tyll mentioned that they don't tangle as much. Still that nagging, "if they are more expensive, they have to be better"...

My OCD made me get the HF. Definitely worth the peace of mind.

Btw, to the other guy, I think they mention that the cable's not meant to be removed and put on often. I've actually not taken mine off since I attached them. Of course, I know that depends on situations.

I did also look it up the first time I attached them, but didn't have any issues.
post #105 of 258
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My OCD made me get the HF. Definitely worth the peace of mind.

Btw, to the other guy, I think they mention that the cable's not meant to be removed and put on often. I've actually not taken mine off since I attached them. Of course, I know that depends on situations.

I did also look it up the first time I attached them, but didn't have any issues.


They aren't meant to (the manual explicitly says so), but it doesn't help that these cables are so flimsy and hard to attach that it leaves me concerned if this is the Achilles' heel of the product, so to speak. It was for the used pair I bought, so I wanted to be extra cautious.

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