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Got the HD 700's today. They look great in person. They are smaller and lighter than the HD 800 and are ridiculously comfortable. I had them on for 2 hours in one sitting and adjusted them like once.

 

Didn't expect to like them as much as I do. They ain't no HD 800, but they are a completely different beast compared to the HD 650 as well. Treble sounded slightly metallic and artificial at first, but after a few hours with them I really began to appreciate their incredible imaging and fun presentation. They really shine with rock/acoustic music, I kept wanting to turn them up louder.

 

I could see them not being everyone's cup of tea, but personally I'm pleasantly surprised. I like them a lot.

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Got the HD 700's today. They look great in person. They are smaller and lighter than the HD 800 and are ridiculously comfortable. I had them on for 2 hours in one sitting and adjusted them like once.

Didn't expect to like them as much as I do. They ain't no HD 800, but they are a completely different beast compared to the HD 650 as well. Treble sounded slightly metallic and artificial at first, but after a few hours with them I really began to appreciate their incredible imaging and fun presentation. They really shine with rock/acoustic music, I kept wanting to turn them up louder.

I could see them not being everyone's cup of tea, but personally I'm pleasantly surprised. I like them a lot.

How is the bass compared to the HD650's? I assume not as robust but faster and better detailed?


Thanks,


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post #798 of 1445

Micro-review: Fostex TH600 vs TH900

Disclaimer: this micro-review is based on 3 days of listening, with an approximate total of about 7-8 hours of listening across those 3 days.

Equipment Setup

- Source component: Plinius CD-101 (CD player) (Signal Cable Silver Reference power cord, directly into wall)
- Analog interconnects: Emotiva X-Series RCA
- Headphone amplifier: HeadAmp GS-X MK2

Setup Note: Since the HeadAmp GS-X MK2 has dual 1/4" headphone outputs, I plugged both the TH600 and TH900 into the amp to be able to "hot swap" between them.

Equipment Note: Other currently-owned and previously-owned headphones are listed in my profile.

Evaluation Music

- Alison Krauss & Union Station - Paper Airplane
- Diablo Swing Orchestra - Sing-Along Songs for the Damned & Delirious
- In Flames - The Jester Race
- Infected Mushroom - Vicious Delicious
- Julia Fischer - Bach Concertos
- Laika - Good Looking Blues
- Massive Attack - Mezzanine
- Ruth Moody - These Wilder Things
- The Prodigy - The Fat of the Land
- Trifonic - Emergence

TH900 Preface

I should start by saying that I think the TH900 is one of the best dynamic full-size headphones that I've heard, closed or open! I thought it was good enough against my previous OII/BHSE, that when I sold the OII/BHSE (for reasons unrelated to the TH900), I felt like I wasn't losing that much sonically. It's easily the closest dynamic equivalent to the OII MKI that I've heard to date!

Since acquiring the TH900 in December last year, it's been my preferred headphone for classical & jazz primarily, but also ambient electronica, bluegrass/folk, and even electronica & metal, for those times when I want a different flavor from my Audio-Technica AD2000.

TH600

The reason I signed up for the TH600 loaner program was more for curiosity than anything else, and to see if I could potentially downgrade to the TH600 from the TH900. I can now say with certainty that maybe I could downgrade to the TH600 without being too dissatisfied, but it wouldn't be without regrets.

The TH600 was very good on its own, and for all the music that I tested it on, it plowed through everything surprisingly well - good enough that I didn't have any complaints listening to it by itself. Just like the TH900, it handled the musical range from classical to metal extremely well, better than a lot of other headphones that I've heard! It also really worked great for electronica too and had enough bass quantity for personal satisfaction (though I wouldn't call it a bassy headphone).

To get straight to the direct comparisons:
- The TH900 had more powerful bass. If that sounds unclear as to what means, sorry but that's the best way that I can describe it. The TH900 exuded substantially more bass & authority—more depth, force, etc. The TH600 didn't have the driller-like bass of the TH900 either, which marginally took away from its overall bass impact. It wasn't enough to be a huge detraction, just something noticeable.
- The TH900 had a more spread-out, expansive sound with more apparent 3D depth. It placed instruments/layers more obviously further away than the TH600. The TH600 had more of a closed-in sound—not that it sounded closed-in per se, only relatively in comparison to the TH900!
- The TH900 had more clarity and more refined treble, leading it to sound cleaner. This was most evident with ambient electronica, which the TH600 didn't handle very well, as it was semi-indistinct on various "hairline" effects.
- The TH900 had more overall mid-range as well and exuded more "fill" than the TH600, particularly in the lower mid-range and mid-bass. This enhanced its physical presence factor over the TH600. The TH600 had a slightly thinner & brighter tilt compared to the TH900. Music with either vocals (male or female), bass guitars, or drums tended to be the most negatively affected by this, although it was only a minor detraction, not huge.

Conclusion

Based on sonics alone, I'd take the TH900 over the TH600 any day. While the TH900 could be considered an incremental improvement over the TH600, I think those increments easily make the TH900 distinctly superior. The TH600 wasn't bad though and would be a very viable cheaper alternative for most people. That said, I think the $700 difference plays more in the TH900's favor—i.e., I'd say it makes more sense to just spend the additional money to get the TH900. If the TH600 cost less than $1300 though, say $1K flat (or less), I think it would be more fairly priced relative to the TH900 and the other competition from the HD800, LCD-2/LCD-3, et al. But even at its price I'd still say it's generally superior to the HD800, LCD-2 (and LCD-3), and Beyerdynamic T1. Plus it has the advantage of being a closed headphone (with isolation being good enough for home or office).

 

Note: I'm assuming MSRPs for the TH900 and TH600 in the USA btw, as might be inferred. Both the TH900 and TH600 can be bought for substantially less than MSRP through Japanese export sites but I personally wouldn't recommend that when Fostex has distribution in the USA - IMO, it's worth paying MSRP for a valid warranty in the USA. (I only use Japanese export sites to buy headphones that aren't distributed in the USA, like certain Audio-Technica models.)


Edited by Asr - 6/30/13 at 12:56am
post #799 of 1445

So many reviews, mine will probably get overlooked. 

 

The Stax 407 is definitely the weirdest looking headphones i've seen. Once I put it on though, completely forgot how it looked because the comfort for me was actually very nice. Its a very light headphone with shallow pads. The cloth headband is actually very nice and doesnt make it feel like a i have a huge weight on the top of my head. The earpads themselves to me feel gradoish if grado went circumaural which i guess would be impossible for anyone to actually understand but thats what came to mind.

 

sonically, the first thing i noticed was the cymbals. Super crisp. Not tinny, metallic or shrill but very clear and slightly pronounced. Next I noticed that detailed were also very very easy to pick out. Definitely the easiest ive ever heard little nuiances in music, espeicllay live music; clinging of cups, chatter and all that. Listening to them stax more and more, i felt that center image was more infront which makes sense for obvious reason but this was the first time that i have destincly felt this; as if the singer or whatever point of interest was a few steps forward. The clarity is beyond amazing for me and my limited headphone usage. This is what I would image a recording studio to sound like. Everything is clear and separated, details are easy to pick out. layering is also freakishly good to my ears. Personally headphones always sound like the music is in my head (small imagination) but it felt like the layering was done in my head.. like the music wasnt coming from the headphones but from my head (?) i dont know. im not on drugs, i swear. I just write how i feel.

 

Anyways, havent done any comparisons. need to work on the for the next couple of days. 
Thanks justin! 

post #800 of 1445
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How is the bass compared to the HD650's? I assume not as robust but faster and better detailed?


Thanks,


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DemonFox, at first they actually sounded a little bass light but after time it's clearly evident that they have a lot more detail in the bass than the HD 650, which also gives it a somewhat brighter sound sig. Overall the HD 700 sounds like a faster headphone than the HD 650.

I'd have to say if the HD 700 was closer to $500 - $600 range, I'd be quite happy owning it over the HD 650. And I really like my HD 650.
post #801 of 1445
Wait, since when does more detail in the bass region make it seem brighter which typically describes the 2-6 kHz range?
post #802 of 1445
I was referring to his comment about the detailed bass over bloated, which less bloat and more detail make it sound overall brighter headphones to my ears, but if it helps you, then yes the treble is also brighter compared to HD 650.

I didn't mean to make it sound like the bass is bright. That's just weird.
post #803 of 1445

I've spend the better part of three days listening to the HD 700's now and I've attempted to put my thoughts into words. Anyone interested can read my kind-of review below which I've also posted in the HD-700 thread. It will be interesting to read other impressions as well. Maybe there will be those that will tell me how I've completely missed the mark! tongue_smile.gif As soon a Justin sends me the next persons address I'll mail them out ASAP.

 

Also, this just happens to be my 700th post. I hope that blows your mind, because it blew mine.

 

HD 700 REVIEW / THOUGHTS (Click to show)

I've also been able to spend a lot of time with a demo HD 700 thanks to Justin at Headamp. And as an owner of the HD 650 and HE-400, I must say that I have very much enojoyed them and have definitely surpased my expectations.

My first impression of the build quality was met with skepticism (especially for a $1000 headphone) but once they were on, my skepticism disappeared. I used to think Mr. Speakers Mad Dogs were the most comfortable, but the HD 700 knocks that theory right out. They are the HD 800's lighter, smaller cousin and also happen to be the most comfortable headphones I've ever tried on. Thanks to the HD 700, now when I put on my HE-400 it feels like I have two paint cans pressed up to my ears. I had the HD 700 on for nearly two and a half hours in one sitting and I only had to adjust them one time. You could easily forget they are even on your head at times.

The soft nylon cable is a nice touch, and feels very sturdy. Unfortunately the y-split and 1/4" plug, while solid, have a rather cheap look to them.

The treble on the HD 700 was odd sounding at first, almost metallic, but after my ears adjusted I fell for the vibrant, detailed sound sig. It is certainly a brighter headphone than the HD 650, but from my memory of the HD 800, I'd have to say the HD 700 seems less bright to me. Of course it could definitely be dependent on the equipment.

The bass is very good, tight and lots of detail, I agree it does make the HD 650 bass sound slow and muddy in comparison. Imaging is really great, not micro detailed, but detailed enough to hear a lot of stuff you will have missed previously. Guitars sound amazing on the HD 700. I also really enjoyed male and female vocals, and it's easy to pick up on every breath and lip-smack.

Soundstage is good, but lacks the airiness of the HE-400. If you're expecting the HD 700 soundstage to be closer to that of say the HD 800, you'll be sorely disappointed. It's actually a lot closer to the HD 650 in terms of soundstage. This is actually the one area that is most averge.

Only complaint is the price. While personally, I do think they are overall a better headphone than the HD 650, I don't think they are $500-$600 better. It's at an odd place in Sennheiser's lineup, and for a grand, I'd rather just save a bit more and go for the HD 800. If it were in the $500-$600 range I would own them and sell the HD 650 (and maybe even the HE-400) without remorse. But at $1000 dollars I would have to agree that there are other options out there that would certainly fit the bill more for certain people's tastes.

post #804 of 1445

Good impressions, dxanex.

post #805 of 1445

Thank you, Tus-Chan! beerchug.gif

post #806 of 1445

Lots of great pics and impressions everyone, keep it up! Can't wait to try out the TH-600 and HD 700!

 

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post #807 of 1445
Yes, I made the list, thanks to Justin's generosity.
I will be demoing Momentums first next week per schedule.

Cheers
post #808 of 1445
How are we coming along with the Fostex demo? Are we keeping them longer this round? Seems like they've in the same spot for almost two weeks.


Thanks,


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post #809 of 1445
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post #810 of 1445
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How are we coming along with the Fostex demo? Are we keeping them longer this round? Seems like they've in the same spot for almost two weeks.


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just got the tracking number. should get them before the weekend.

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