Dual Denons: AH-D600 & D7100

Before people make a laughing stock out of this review, please note it's a guest reviewer this time. He seems to have not much experience with headphones, maybe even less than me... I don't know for sure, though.

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Originally Posted by viralcow 

Before people make a laughing stock out of this review, please note it's a guest reviewer this time. He seems to have not much experience with headphones, maybe even less than me... I don't know for sure, though.

It's not a guest review at all. Why did you think so?

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Originally Posted by viralcow 

Before people make a laughing stock out of this review, please note it's a guest reviewer this time. He seems to have not much experience with headphones, maybe even less than me... I don't know for sure, though.

As opposed to the usual headphonia reviews? 

I like to old style so much better, the new style look so much "Beats" inspired...

Skimming that review gave me a sick feel in my stomach.

Adding them to the list of DO NOT TRUST sites.

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Originally Posted by WiR3D 

Skimming that review gave me a sick feel in my stomach.

 

Adding them to the list of DO NOT TRUST sites.

And why is that? Seems to be a trend here to not like anything but Headfi and Tyll. lol

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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno 

 

And why is that? Seems to be a trend here to not like anything but Headfi and Tyll. lol

Measurements don't mean everything but they sure do nail most of it,

what they do get is important objective stuff, smoothness in the treble, bass response, frequency (bass, mids,treble) balance, ringing, and overall performance/clarity.

what they don't get is subjective summit-fi stuff, euphoria, engagement, intimacy, teleportation, lol you get the idea.

but blatantly ignoring the flaws = idiot.

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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno 

 

And why is that? Seems to be a trend here to not like anything but Headfi and Tyll. lol

There's a lot of phonies pretending they know a lot about headphones. Keep in mind Tyll is one guy, and has listened to nearly every high end headphone out there. That experience is very useful when he listens to new ones, because he knows where they fit in. When I read things like this in a review, I start to grit my teeth. This reviewer clearly doesn't have that kind of experience, by a long shot. Saying these denons have better tonal balance than a pair of Audio Technicas is just hard to fully swallow. These are a pretty bass heavy can, and audio technica woodies have some bass kick, but nothing like the exaggeration in the D7100. I won't even start on the first quote down there. That makes my head hurt. The reviewer thought they were getting a flagship headphone, and they tried to compare it to top end headphones.

Even head-fi has its own flawed advice. I'm still very careful about who I take advice from after making a handful of bad purchases from advice here. A handful of people here were raving about the D7100. A few weeks later all those people had returned them.

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Originally Posted by WiR3D 

Measurements don't mean everything but they sure do nail most of it,

what they do get is important objective stuff, smoothness in the treble, bass response, frequency (bass, mids,treble) balance, ringing, and overall performance/clarity.

what they don't get is subjective summit-fi stuff, euphoria, engagement, intimacy, teleportation, lol you get the idea.

 

 

but blatantly ignoring the flaws = idiot.

Agreed, measurements do give us some concrete evidence to compare. They can give someone an idea of what the headphones will sound like. Will they give a complete picture? Definitely not. But they do give a good general idea. The frequency response also doesn't give concrete information about detail level and soundstage, which are pretty important. 

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Originally Posted by WiR3D 

Skimming that review gave me a sick feel in my stomach.

 

Adding them to the list of DO NOT TRUST sites.

It aligns pretty well with the measurements taken by Russian site.

personalaudio.ru/raa/otchety/naushniki/

TBH I've never liked headfonia's headphone reviews because they tend to be pretty subjective. I'm an objective guy by nature, my own taste how it should sound like means nothing and I wouldn't use that as a basis for what's "good" sound. So my view doesn't quite match headfonia's ways of seeing things which tend to speak more from the reviewer's point of view if it fits his taste or not.

The problem with subjective reviews is that either you have the same taste as the reviewer and you can completely agree with him/her or you have a totally different taste and you won't find it useful for you at all. Objectively written reviews are useful for every1. Doesn't mean that you have to have bunch of measurements or graphs or whatever, if you still write in the perspective that you compare different aspects of the headphone compared to everything you've heard and simply tell as accurately as possible whereabouts it stands like then it's still objective even if there's no measurements involved.

Goldenears & Innerfidelity are more objective. Especially Goldenear's way of "slider" ratings down the pages are extremely objective way of presenting a headphone's sound. Of course this method will require experience though and the more headphones you've auditioned the more accurately you're able to rate/position them.

EDIT if anyone read this, it was wrong.