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post #31 of 63
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To randomkid:

 

 

How would you describe them vocally with like Mariah Carey or Toni braxton with SE425 & SE535? Highs, Lows & mids. 


Edited by kfki - 1/14/13 at 1:52am
post #32 of 63
Yes it will be perfect for that, not sharp or harsh highs
post #33 of 63
Thread Starter 

To Randomkid: you mean female vocalists perfect for se425s? or se535s?

can you describe the sound of female vocal artists like Mariah Carey & Toni Braxton with SE425, and then with SE535.

 

Overall, do you think the SE535s a bit overrated?
 

post #34 of 63
Not over rated, female vocals excell on the 535, better than 425
post #35 of 63
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To Randomkid, from your previous threads in your reviews. You say in general, you prefer 425s over 535s, do you still feel that way?
 

post #36 of 63
Yes I prefer the more neutral presentation of the 425, but for female vocals 535 is just so smooth and lush, with warmer sound in general, if you found the 425 harsh/bright then the 535 is perfect for you
post #37 of 63
Thread Starter 

To Randomkid:

 

What type of genre in music, you think SE5425 excels?

Also SE535s.
 

post #38 of 63
425 is great for rock, 535 for jazz, vocal, mid centric, even some electronic music. Not so good for rock or metal as it lacks the speed of the 425
post #39 of 63
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To Randomkid, one of your threads, you mentioned that 425 are versatile and 535 is more fun. So I don't think 425 only excel rock and metal. BTW, I found 425s play excellent in trance, dance and electronica,. What do you think. I admit vocal wise, 425 got the lower end. I think to the human ears, the accurate reproduction of vocal sound makes it boring, less intimate to listen. Since I never listen to SE535, my guess the warmer signature sound make it more intimate and pleasurable to listen. However the upper end of 425 makes them relentlessly "too accurate" which lacks emotion.

These are not artificially reproduce, more like adding spice to it, to make it fun to listen. However I believe 425 is like a lie detector that mercilessly exhibits flaws in grand detail, the 535 is more forgiving, refine and polish areas to make it pleasantly to hear.

 

so there you go, in the nutshell of what I imagine the sound signature of 535s! 

post #40 of 63
Yep pretty much spot on, more intimate and forgiving, easy to listen to.
post #41 of 63
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To Randomkid, if you still have 425s lying around, you gotta go to youtube and listen to

AlexUnder Base's privacy in full blast. The bass is thumping, the clarity is 100% HD. Surround sound makes your earlobe dipping in sonic heaven! It's house/dance music.

 

Here's the link to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F1nAKHmQ90

If you have WINS 7, fiddle the EQ to Party in order to get the sound!


Edited by kfki - 1/15/13 at 7:19am
post #42 of 63
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To Deadlovestory

I just went to the website: Final Audio, dude they release some serious earphones that will blow you away. Money wise I mean. $2600 and more for a pair of piano XV earphones?

I have a question, the ones (FitEar F111) on your hand in the avatar. they cost $595! for just one driver! How do they sound exactly? With 4 drivers, cost $1125!

For $595, why didn't you just go for SE535 ltd red instead? Triple drivers are WAYYY BETTER than just one single dynamic driver in my opinion.

What makes them so special? One driver can excel multiple drivers?!
 


Edited by kfki - 1/15/13 at 8:59am
post #43 of 63
 
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To Deadlovestory

I just went to the website: Final Audio, dude they release some serious earphones that will blow you away. Money wise I mean. $2600 and more for a pair of piano XV earphones?

I have a question, the ones (FitEar F111) on your hand in the avatar. they cost $595! for just one driver! How do they sound exactly? With 4 drivers, cost $1125!

For $595, why didn't you just go for SE535 ltd red instead? Triple drivers are WAYYY BETTER than just one single dynamic driver in my opinion.

What makes them so special? One driver can excel multiple drivers?!
 

Remember, law of diminishing returns ALWAYS apply in this topic and so is subjectivity factor.

 

More money paid will not necessarily get you better IEM, and in the world of audio equipment, subjectivity factors heavily. What's worth the money for me doesn't mean it's worth it for you, and what sounds good to me doesn't mean it sounds good to you.

 

But your questions are fair, so here we go. TL;DR version :

- No, paying 2600$ for a single dynamic driver is not crazy. 

 

- Yes, one driver can sometimes, in some aspects, excels multiple drivers.

 

SUPER LONG VERSION : (Click to show)

 

1) Regarding the prices of Final Audio Design's products. No, I'm not blown away. Personally, no, I wouldn't pay $2600 for a pair of Pianoforte X. I don't like its sound signature (NOT sound quality, as far as I'm concerned, they have excellent sound quality) and its housing shape is not comfortable for my ears. Simple as that. But there are people who find it perfect for their tastes, and thus justifies the price tag for them. Besides, have you listened to any of Final Audio's IEM? I don't think it's adamant to judge something only based on the price.

 

2) FitEar F111. $595. Crazy, right? Not really, not crazy at all for me. There's a backstory to this : My favorite IEM ever, sound-wise, was my dad's old Etymotic ER-4S, a single balanced armature IEM. And for me, hands down, a better IEM than SE535. Why? for me, ER-4S is more detailed. It's more accurate, neutral, no exaggerated bass, no exaggerated treble, faithful to whatever that's in a recording.

 

But why don't I just buy ER-4S? my ear canals are weirdly shaped, and it's very narrow. ER-4S is uncomfortable for my ear canal due to its very deep insertion, so I can only listen to it for a very short period of time. Along came F111 : It sounds close to ER-4S, only better ; Better sub-bass extension, less fatiguing treble, can be driven by my iPhone just fine, all while retaining the general sound signature of ER-4S I love. But here's the best part : It's comfortable for my ears, even for extended listening session. The comfort alone is enough for me to justify the difference in price from ER-4S. And this is before considering other factors such as build quality and exclusivity.

 

I could've bought a $1300 FitEar TG334 instead. I had the money. But I decided to buy F111 because to my ears, F111 simply sounds better. Others might disagree. I'm sure a lot of people likes TG334 better, and I'm not gonna argue with them. In fact, I think TG334 is an outstanding IEM in many aspects, but the sound signature isn't my taste. Simple.

 

So as you can see, this is a highly subjective issue. While for you it might seem silly that I spent $595 for a mere single BA IEM, it's not silly at all for me. In fact, I can proudly say that for me, it's money well spent.

 

3) But if I have that much money, why don't I buy SE535LTD instead? It's triple driver, and theoretically should be better than single driver IEM, right? well, NO! More drivers =/= better sound quality. Why? It's rather technical and hard to explain. A more technically knowledgable head-fiers might explain this better, but the use of more than one driver/transducer generally requires the use of crossover, and along with it, the technical issues associated with its implementation, such as synergy issues between the drivers and phasing. There MUST be more thread somewhere in head-fi that discusses the "more drivers = better or not" issue, but I can only find one so far : http://www.head-fi.org/t/540477/number-of-drivers-in-iem-is-more-better

 

Also consider this : Why is it that Etymotic ER-4 series, that mere single BA, plastic barrel of 20-years old of musical artifact is still considered by some (including me), to be among the best sounding IEM even in 2013, when two, three, four or heck, even EIGHT drivers IEMs are common? Because ER-4 well-researched, well-designed, well-tuned and more importantly, SIMPLE. It doesn't have any complex crossover circuit or any modern gizmos that adds complexities. ER-4 just works, and works well.

 

So my point is, a carefully tuned single driver IEM can, in fact, outperform multiple driver IEM. I'm not saying that single driver IEM will always excel multiple driver IEM. Quite the contrary, I think many multiple driver IEMs performs better than my favorite ER-4S or F111. But NOT ALWAYS.

 

4) Triple drivers WAYYY BETTER than just one dynamic driver in your opinion? Not always, pal. In fact, I think Sennheiser IE800, a single dynamic driver IEM, sounds better than SE535. How can I tell? I've listened to both. I'm sure I can list more single dynamic driver IEM that sounds better than SE535 :p

 

Note that I'm not a proponent, or works for, any of the companies I listed above, nor am I a Shure hater (I love my SE215 :p). I'm just a regular guy with more-than-average passion for audio, just like you.

 


Edited by Deadlovestory - 1/16/13 at 10:04am
post #44 of 63
Thread Starter 

To Deadlovestory,

 

since I'm a newbie to the world of IEM, my question is. For a dual driver phone, is it one woofer, one tweeter per can. Because I always thought dual driver is, one woofer on either right or left phone, and one tweeter on either right or left phone. 

 

If that's the case dual driver would have two woofers, two tweeters?

one woofer with one tweeter per phone.

 

Thanks dude, you're very formative!

 

P.S, what's a 3 way crossovers?


Edited by kfki - 1/16/13 at 2:11am
post #45 of 63

Dual driver means two driver (usually one woofer, one tweeter) per side.

 

Crossover divides audio signals that goes into your IEM to dedicated frequency channels. 3-way means it's divided into three channels : lows, mids and highs.

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