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post #16 of 81
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Unfortunately that is out of my price range!!

 

The HE-400 is £400 in the UK, and my budget tops out at £250. To give an example, that was the sort of price range the HD650 were at (you could even get them new for under £200) before their prices got hiked up again over the last couple of years.

 

Are there alternatives?

post #17 of 81

The bass that the HD650 does have is quite nice.... But they pretty much do not have any bass at all below about 40hz.

 

They are nice headphones that are awesome for films, games and some genres of music such as acoustic etc.

 

However they do not have much bass impact or even any sub bass at all frankly, they are not very good for genres such as electronic or basically anything which requires punchy sub bass.... I like the HD650 a lot for what they do well but closed can style punchy sub bass is not one of those things. As has been said you would need a planar open headphone or a dynamic closed headphone.

 

If you have the money get the HD650 for what they are good at and a pair of closed headphones such as D2000 or similar for sub bass.

 

Looking for an open dynamic headphone with sub bass is futile because they do not exist except for planars.


Edited by nicholars - 1/13/13 at 4:24am
post #18 of 81
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Originally Posted by bassophile View Post

Unfortunately that is out of my price range!!

 

The HE-400 is £400 in the UK, and my budget tops out at £250. To give an example, that was the sort of price range the HD650 were at (you could even get them new for under £200) before their prices got hiked up again over the last couple of years.

 

Are there alternatives?

The dealers can't officially give you any discount, but try contact some and ask for a good price. I got my HE500 for that price, through my country's (denmark) version of head-fi. Ofc new from a dealer..

post #19 of 81

The HD650/HD600 is a bargain like never before existed. Except you could easily spend 10 times the price on your source equipment alone and still not be realising the near full potential of the headphone. It is a good idea to try and match the headphone and equipment that drives it, and still that is ignoring the music. HD650/600 is primarily an acoustic headphone, good for reproducing piano, violin, percussion etc. It is an elegant and delicate sound. It has magnificent bass reproduction given a magnificent system before it. Now you may be thinking is this the headphone for me?

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It has magnificent bass reproduction given a magnificent system before it. Now you may be thinking is this the headphone for me?

 

I agree that they are good and that a good system probably improves the bass a little bit but "magnificent bass reproduction" is just not really true is it? They don't magically start reproducing sub bass with any system. I am not saying they are bad at all, I like them a lot, but sub bass is not something they are good at irrelevant of system.

post #21 of 81
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I agree that they are good and that a good system probably improves the bass a little bit but "magnificent bass reproduction" is just not really true is it? They don't magically start reproducing sub bass with any system. I am not saying they are bad at all, I like them a lot, but sub bass is not something they are good at irrelevant of system.

 

As true as true can be, no exaggeration. It is an awesome headphone. HD650 will perform bass like a flagship closed headphone, unless it's Ultrasone, so I'm told.

post #22 of 81
The only open headphones I've heard to do bass like a closed headphone is the DT990 Pro and Premium 250 ohm mostly. The 32 and 600ohm have less bass and more balance.

The HE-400 gets there almost, and needs just a subtle bass boost (like +4 on the E17), and it will do BETTER than closed headphones in both impact and presence.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 1/13/13 at 5:53am
post #23 of 81
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Does anyone have experience with the Ultrasone HFI 2400 (an open model) - and how the bass compares with the HD650's bass?

post #24 of 81
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As true as true can be, no exaggeration. It is an awesome headphone. HD650 will perform bass like a flagship closed headphone, unless it's Ultrasone, so I'm told.

 

Hmmmmmm

post #25 of 81
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Does anyone have experience with the Ultrasone HFI 2400 (an open model) - and how the bass compares with the HD650's bass?

Had the Pro 2900 for a few weeks, which is the higher end model. The bass is incredibly refined, but not that strong to compare to a closed headphone.
post #26 of 81

They dont do bass like a closed back, they do it differently.

I feel they actually have a fair bit of sub bass

post #27 of 81

If you can try the Beyerdynamic DT1350, I think that will be well worth your while. I believe it has a kind of bass performance you will enjoy.

post #28 of 81
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Originally Posted by Cakensaur View Post

They dont do bass like a closed back, they do it differently.

I feel they actually have a fair bit of sub bass

 

I like the bass that they do produce.... TBH though I dont see how a new amplifier will make them magically start producing bass down to 15hz. Maybe you are confusing sub bass for mid bass which the HD650 do pretty nicely.

post #29 of 81
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OK, If the HD650's don't do the strong bass of closed headphones in an open headphone, what does?

Ultrasone HFI-2400 and/or PRO2900.

That said, either of those, or the HD 650, will probably sound "less bassy" than the M50 because the M50 is a fairly boomy (this is not a positive trait) headphone. Basically all three of them will produce less distortion and "womp" in the low end, and that tightness will also make them less overwhelming - they're all very good though. Just something to keep in mind.

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Does anyone have experience with the Ultrasone HFI 2400 (an open model) - and how the bass compares with the HD650's bass?

More of it and it goes lower. They sound like the ticket for what you want. They have a very solid low-end (and it extends well), but in true Ultrasone fashion will not overwhelm everything with bass unless the material starts out that way. They're also fairly dark and laid-back, not too dissimilar from the HD 650 (they have a completely different soundstage though, owing to S-LOGIC). They will compare favorably to many closed headphones in terms of low-end impact, and are superior to the M50 in about every way I can think of (I really don't like the M50 though, if you couldn't tell tongue.gif). Better soundstage, less congested, less boomy, less harsh, etc. They'll probably be a bit of a challenge for portable devices though (they're something like 70-80R - they're sensitive and all that, they're just a little high on the impedance side for some portables; basically any desktop component or anything sold as a "headphone amplifier" should have no problem though).
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Had the Pro 2900 for a few weeks, which is the higher end model. The bass is incredibly refined, but not that strong to compare to a closed headphone.

What? blink.gif

The PRO2900 are bassier than many closed headphones...but that isn't what we're talking about here, we're talking about the HFI-2400. Which are a different beast. They're looser, wetter, and darker than the 2900 - they lack the speed and precision of the PROline model. They also stage differently (different baffle design). On the upside they're much more forgiving and easier to live with, and probably appeal to a wider range of listeners (which, I suspect, is why Ultrasone markets them as hi-fi, while the PROline are marketed to pro users redface.gif).
post #30 of 81

Just find yourself a used Denon AH-D2000 or AH-D5000 if you can stretch your budget some. The bass on those are very extended and are quite good I think. Never have enjoyed the Ultrasones that I have tried, just because of how sibilant they can be with certain types of music. I haven't tried the Ed. 8s though.... which I've read to be less sibilant and more balanced.


Edited by Greed - 1/13/13 at 10:55am
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