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post #91 of 163
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Oh I guess you're right.  So it's an issue of money afterall!

Is it all about money? No. But it is a large factor in defining "Summit-Fi".
post #92 of 163

Yes I agree with Paradoxper.  Draw the line somewhere if it's ultimately or even remotely about the money.

post #93 of 163
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Yes I agree with Paradoxper.  Draw the line somewhere if it's ultimately or even remotely about the money.

Probably anything from and over $1k is pretty much high-end stuff, amp's, dac's, headphones whatever. I'm just going to call any audio related products that cost greater then $3-10k enthusiast level stuff, same categorising I do with computers. Mehhh

post #94 of 163
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1. It can be made for those who own both and have heard both, I own both which is why I stated it only as my own opinion which I clearly stated in my post, yes they are both different beasts but a lot of people compare them both with each the most due to it's surrounding hype. 

 

2. I don't know about you and I haven't heard the 009's of yet but I'm pretty sure a large surrounding concensus would be anyone who has owned both the HD800 and the 009 would prefer the 009 more, exact same situation that MorbidToaster was in when he made the jump from his 800 to the 009's. Yes it is indeed Apples to Oranges but at the end of the day we all want that high-fidelity sound out of our gear despite any major/minor differences in the technology used itself.

 

3. What is this unobtanium-x thing everyone keeps talking about?

 

It is indeed and I've already said this, price and branding determines what is low, mid and high-end at the end of the day. That is all.

Yes it can, but that goes both ways. I was not questioning your personal opinion btw. We are talking about distinction of 

high-end gear and what constitues the qualification of x headphone being Summit.

 

What's more confusing to me is how the LCD/HE-6 wouldn't be considered high-end considering...they are the best planars.

Similarly, the HD800 is the best dynamic. And the SR-007/009 are the best Stats. Save for those unobtanium headphones.

 

The bottom line for me, there are those who prefer LCD's over SR-007's, for example. So it's not this objective way of 

judging what's high-end or not.

 

Again, it's not about performance, it's about money. I can accept that, if that is indeed the case or argument being made.

 

Unobtanium are the highly reverred out of production headphones, (which happen to have substantial price tags).

post #95 of 163

I usually would incline to a warm and lush tone without losing balance when listening to most music. I find a slightly colored sound is more enjoyable. For different genres, one would expect different things. I like wide soundstage and a high dynamic range listening to Classical; in contrast, I prefer smooth mids and punchy bass listening to rock...

 

So what I do is use a warmer tube to balance brighter headphones, and a neutral tube to balance dark headphones. (I prefer tube amps because of their smoother sound) Some audiophiles have a lot of spare amps, one is brighter than the other, one has more bass than the other, etc, etc..

 

Additionally, one would know instantly when one don't like a sound a system produces; it's one of human's natural instincts. Some headphones hurts my ear after 20 minutes or so, I don't know exactly what part is going wrong, I just know.

 

Then, what is high-end? I think it depends.

 

The scientifically perfect headphone, however, should be absolutely neutral; they output what is put in. But if everyone tried to pursue the scientific perfection, the audiophile community would not become as exciting and diverse as it is today.

post #96 of 163
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Probably anything from and over $1k is pretty much high-end stuff, amp's, dac's, headphones whatever. I'm just going to call any audio related products that cost greater then $3-10k enthusiast level stuff, same categorising I do with computers. Mehhh

 

 

Doesn't that put the LCD-2 in the category in?  Or is it the fact that its owners not having another 1k invested into an amp and another 1k in dac or whatever else they want to put in their 'chain,' offended the other frequenters of the high-end subforum?  I guess we should have ran background checks on people before to make sure they had the right amount of money invested into their rigs before they could post in the high-end forum!  Who knew.

post #97 of 163

The way i see it, the problem is what is ''Summit Fi'' for someone, might not be for someone else, so, what i would do is take every top model from each brands, and change the name of the forum to ''Flagship Fi''', problem solved.

post #98 of 163
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Doesn't that put the LCD-2 in the category in?  

I am not weighing in one way or the other on this debate, but to be a stickler in the US msrp for LCD-2 is $995 bringing it in under the $1K mark.

post #99 of 163
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I am not weighing in one way or the other on this debate, but to be a stickler in the US msrp for LCD-2 is $995 bringing it in under the $1K mark.

 

Damn you got me, that has to be the reason.  Now I can sleep happy!.. not that I was losing sleep to begin with over recreational banter over the internet to begin with.  biggrin.gif

 

I've heard the LCD-2 costs way more in Europe though, maybe it's high end over there.

post #100 of 163
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Damn you got me, that has to be the reason.  Now I can sleep happy!.. not that I was losing sleep to begin with over recreational banter over the internet to begin with.  biggrin.gif

 

I've heard the LCD-2 costs way more in Europe though, maybe it's high end over there.

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post #101 of 163
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Damn you got me, that has to be the reason.  Now I can sleep happy!.. not that I was losing sleep to begin with over recreational banter over the internet to begin with.  biggrin.gif

 

I've heard the LCD-2 costs way more in Europe though, maybe it's high end over there.


Its status would fluctuate with the exchange rates. I think European prices may include VAT so you'd have to normalize pricing to pre-tax levels as well.

 

KP

post #102 of 163
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Yes it can, but that goes both ways. I was not questioning your personal opinion btw. We are talking about distinction of 

high-end gear and what constitues the qualification of x headphone being Summit.

 

What's more confusing to me is how the LCD/HE-6 wouldn't be considered high-end considering...they are the best planars.

Similarly, the HD800 is the best dynamic. And the SR-007/009 are the best Stats. Save for those unobtanium headphones.

 

The bottom line for me, there are those who prefer LCD's over SR-007's, for example. So it's not this objective way of 

judging what's high-end or not.

 

Again, it's not about performance, it's about money. I can accept that, if that is indeed the case or argument being made.

 

Unobtanium are the highly reverred out of production headphones, (which happen to have substantial price tags).

Ahh Gotchawink_face.gif

 

The HE-6 and LCD3's are considered high-end.  

 

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

 

 

Doesn't that put the LCD-2 in the category in?  Or is it the fact that its owners not having another 1k invested into an amp and another 1k in dac or whatever else they want to put in their 'chain,' offended the other frequenters of the high-end subforum?  I guess we should have ran background checks on people before to make sure they had the right amount of money invested into their rigs before they could post in the high-end forum!  Who knew.

 

It maybe due to the fact that they are no longer Audeze' flagships no more ever since the release of the LCD2. 

post #103 of 163
Is $1000 the benchmark then?
Edited by Darkbeat - 1/14/13 at 11:46pm
post #104 of 163
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

1. No I wasn't saying what belongs to the summit-fi section based on pricing I was just correcting the user that said that both the HD800 and LCD2 cost the same if one were to buy it brand new from any retailer. The LCD2 is $995 and HD800 is $1500. 

 

2. As I said the second half of my post was just my opinion as stated in the post.

1. It can be made for those who own both and have heard both, I own both which is why I stated it only as my own opinion which I clearly stated in my post, yes they are both different beasts but a lot of people compare them both with each the most due to it's surrounding hype. 

 

2. I don't know about you and I haven't heard the 009's of yet but I'm pretty sure a large surrounding concensus would be anyone who has owned both the HD800 and the 009 would prefer the 009 more, exact same situation that MorbidToaster was in when he made the jump from his 800 to the 009's. Yes it is indeed Apples to Oranges but at the end of the day we all want that high-fidelity sound out of our gear despite any major/minor differences in the technology used itself.

 

3. What is this unobtanium-x thing everyone keeps talking about?

 

It is indeed and I've already said this, price and branding determines what is low, mid and high-end at the end of the day. That is all.

The LCD-2 in acually more expensive than HD800 in Europe. LCD-2 is 1500$ and HD800 is 1300$

post #105 of 163

It's sad how people are getting so worked up over this. I wouldn't have qualms with Summit-Fi being dedicated to the SR-009s, R10s, Orpheus' etc of headphone-dom. I understand that for some people cost is truly no object. Happiness with my own gear is not hinged on belonging in an arbitrary sub-forum. The HD800, HE-6, LCD-3 and below are within reach for more people and could be exiled to the regular full sized forum. Move those threads there Amos. I don't think owners of those headphones would kick up the same stink as the LCD-2/HE-500 fanboys. They all know their cans are better than those mid-tiers and don't require the same validation. very_evil_smiley.gif

 

Make Summit-Fi truly about unobtanium for the masses.


Edited by olor1n - 1/15/13 at 12:49am
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