So basically your price arguments are not to be considered, as price is not a constant all over the globe.
From what I know taxes weren't one of the decisive factors in high end....or is it...?
The HD800 is not the same price as the LCD2's nor in the same league when used in a proper setup. Given that dare I say in my opinion that the HD800 (maybe few others would agree), they are the best dynamic driver based headphones still in production out today. As much as I like the LCD2's (which I own and have heard numerous amount of times), it don't touch the HD800 in a lot of areas. Although both are fairly different beasts.
Couldn't agree more
+ 2 Well said.
Lcd2 would shine on a good system as well. I have had them both (hd800 and lcd2) and chose the lcd2. I am not saying it is better than hd800 but it sure does some stuff better.
The bottom line for me, there are those who prefer LCD's over SR-007's, for example. So it's not this objective way of
judging what's high-end or not.
Again, it's not about performance, it's about money. I can accept that, if that is indeed the case or argument being made.
Good point paradoxper!
high end amps i'm talking stuff that costs $2k or more just for the amp. so in other words, the lower woo audio amps, schiit audio gear, little dots, umm and most other sub 1k amps wouldn't fall into the summit-fi category. summit-fi would be upper woo amps, eddie current stuff, and similar (apex, liquid fire, liquid glass, etc)
and just before any1 tries to say anything, im just generalizing, not to say other stuff doesn't belong there, nor that it does, just an example of what gear i think belongs there and why the general discussion threads aren't meant to be there.
also theres still some LCD-2 and HD-800 threads on the high end forum, except it seems that the threads still there are buyers looking for the best amps or for something in the 2000-3000+ range to fully max out their setup.
I did not reach full lcd2 performance from the start. I first had the LCD2+Burson HA-160ds. I have then upgraded to Burson Conductor, and only then I approached lcd2s full potential.
My system now is approaching 3400EUR which is about 4538 USD, and lost a lot more money in my journey .
So...saying 3+k system is not high end is kind of funny considering the fact that I have compared it side by side with a 9k system and the differences were less than minor.
Bottomline...the discussion broke in 3 categories:
- the ones saying the price tag is not high end category
- the ones saying that the lcd2s sound does not deserve to be in high end
- the ones saying that lcd2 is easier to get a good rig to make it shine...a too cheaper rig for high end
1. the price is irrelevant as it is not constant all over the globe as I said in my first part of my post
2. "I don't like lcd2 and I want it out of high end forum..." -> too subjective
3. Explained above
And again, the perspective is lost. The rule must be applied to all, not just one headphone.
Edited by dan.gheorghe - 1/15/13 at 1:01am