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post #226 of 449
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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post

I didn't like the DC-1's HP out with my LCD-3s, but don't know how well it will drive other cans.

Gary (or anyone), have you had any experience with the peachtree NovaPre? Given its price and feature set it fits right along with the dacs discussed here. At the moment I think I've narrowed my search down to the dc1 and peachtree but it's only based on second hand accounts of press reviews.
Edited by expletive - 1/21/14 at 3:03pm
post #227 of 449

Anyone know how the Concero compares with DC-1?

post #228 of 449

expletive - I have now had two bad Emotiva units in a row. Other people seem to have decent luck, but I personally am steering clear of them. To be fair, I did feel as if they drove my HE-400's pretty well though. I ordered a dangerous source last week - it arrives Friday. We'll see how it is!

post #229 of 449
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Originally Posted by subsonic1050 View Post
 

expletive - I have now had two bad Emotiva units in a row. Other people seem to have decent luck, but I personally am steering clear of them. To be fair, I did feel as if they drove my HE-400's pretty well though. I ordered a dangerous source last week - it arrives Friday. We'll see how it is!

 

What feature is troubling you?

post #230 of 449

Mine arrived in good perfect working condition.

post #231 of 449
I call BS on Subsonic.
post #232 of 449

It's not a feature that is troubling me. First, I ordered an XDA-2, which I thought sounded GREAT for $250 - but it died within two days. For "boatheelmusic" - you can see my video on this forum and on  youtube showing what happened - all it produced was a loud static sound. Probably shouldn't go around calling BS on other people when you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

Because of everyone's praise, I decided to take the opportunity to upgrade to the DC-1. The DC-1 actually worked OK, but when using USB as the source, and while in Asynchronous mode it would produce a constant buzzing sound in one channel. The guy from Emotiva said it was a ground issue - and admitted it shouldn't do that. I tried to take a video of that as well, but the buzzing was quiet enough that my phone mic didn't pick it up. It was quiet enough that it normally wasn't noticeable while playing music, but you could hear it when there were quiet parts in songs. 

 

Other than that, the DC-1 was a pretty good unit. In synchronous mode, or while using an optical input it worked quite well. However, I decided to return it because I wanted to use USB as my input, and I wanted to use asynchronous mode - and frankly, the fact that I got two bad units in a row did not instill much confidence in me that it would last.

 

That said, it did sound pretty good on the HE-400 headphones I had. On the HD800, there was quite a bit to be desired - at least in my experience. For the money, IF you get one that works right, the Emo units are hard to beat. 

post #233 of 449
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Originally Posted by subsonic1050 View Post
 

It's not a feature that is troubling me. First, I ordered an XDA-2, which I thought sounded GREAT for $250 - but it died within two days. For "boatheelmusic" - you can see my video on this forum and on  youtube showing what happened - all it produced was a loud static sound. Probably shouldn't go around calling BS on other people when you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

Because of everyone's praise, I decided to take the opportunity to upgrade to the DC-1. The DC-1 actually worked OK, but when using USB as the source, and while in Asynchronous mode it would produce a constant buzzing sound in one channel. The guy from Emotiva said it was a ground issue - and admitted it shouldn't do that. I tried to take a video of that as well, but the buzzing was quiet enough that my phone mic didn't pick it up. It was quiet enough that it normally wasn't noticeable while playing music, but you could hear it when there were quiet parts in songs. 

 

Other than that, the DC-1 was a pretty good unit. In synchronous mode, or while using an optical input it worked quite well. However, I decided to return it because I wanted to use USB as my input, and I wanted to use asynchronous mode - and frankly, the fact that I got two bad units in a row did not instill much confidence in me that it would last.

 

That said, it did sound pretty good on the HE-400 headphones I had. On the HD800, there was quite a bit to be desired - at least in my experience. For the money, IF you get one that works right, the Emo units are hard to beat. 

 

Did you try them with different USB cables and/or different computers?

post #234 of 449

Yes, I tried it with my desktop and my laptop (laptop with AC power and on battery as well), with the USB cable that Emo provided, and one of my own (on both computers). It did the same thing no matter what I tried, and only in asynchronous mode. The guy from Emotiva said he had heard of that problem before, and another guy on this forum said that he also had a buzzing on his - although he said his volume had to be pretty high, and it didn't bother him. On another forum (the Emotiva forum), a different guy had the exact same problem as me. To me, this is extremely annoying. Plus, it just shouldn't do that. That is the whole reason I got a DAC - to get a cleaner signal. The first guy I dealt with at Emotiva regarding the XDA-2 (Damon) was great. The second guy with the DC-1 (Keith) was very snippy and unpleasant - overall I think the Emo products are a great value - just be aware that they can have problems. 

post #235 of 449

I just installed my USB galvanic isolator, $25 from ebay, all my USB computer related noise is now gone!  I really wish Emotiva had designed this into the DC-1, that seems like an oversight seeing how common it is for noise to crop up, by posts in this thread.

 

This may have helped your problem Subsonic1050, but who knows.  I am surprised Emotiva did not suggest this solution, either way.  Maybe they just never had to deal with USB noise in their facilities somehow.

post #236 of 449

No noise, or others issues with my DC-1.

 

For those considering this DAC, please do not think these are highly problematic units, as they are not. I am a regular on the Emo forum, and everyone there can be quite vocal about problems, or issues with their gear, and I have not seen very many people mention problems FWIW.

post #237 of 449

I agree.  Buy this thing, I say!!  I still think it's an incredible piece, weeks on in, I'm floored.  You might get USB noise, or you might not, and it is solvable if you do get it.

post #238 of 449

Again, to be clear, I do not mean to imply that Emotiva's products are problematic. I was extremely happy with my XDA-2 for the first day. It seemed very well built, looked great, and sounded great. The DC-1 sounded even better. I only gave Emotiva a second try because so many people all over these forums and on the Emotiva forums have had such great experiences with them. Normally if I get a defective product, it goes back and I move on. 

 

I wouldn't try to deter anyone from purchasing one of their products - you will likely be extremely satisfied. If you aren't, they offer a 30 day return policy and you can simply send it back as I have done. If you do run into trouble, ask for Damon - he will straighten you out.


Edited by subsonic1050 - 1/21/14 at 7:41pm
post #239 of 449

Also - MonkeyX - Emotiva DID suggest that solution. However, they specifically told me that it should not have that problem. I don't feel like I should have to go out and buy a $50 USB isolator to fix a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place. I'm sure that if I had exchanged the DC-1 for a different one it would have been fine - I was just ready to move on.

post #240 of 449

So, I received the Dangerous Source today. I should mention that in between the Emotiva DC-1 and the Dangerous, I tried a Burson HA-160DS amp/dac combo that I bought off of this site. I also got a pair of Audeze LCD-2 cans and some HD800's. For the past few weeks I was listening to these headphones on the Emotiva and then the Burson (primarily the Burson). I always felt as if they never sounded quite right - not the way they had when I auditioned them in the store. Good - but not great.

 

Well as I mentioned - I got the Dangerous Source today. HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER!!! This thing is seriously amazing. I know in Gary's test, he determined that the DC-1 and the Source were "indistinguishable" - and I believe him, because he was using the DAC only, NOT the built in amp. He did mention that he much preferred the headphone output of the source to the DC-1, but I can't overstate how huge the difference is here. Not just between the DC-1 and the source, but the Burson as well. This thing completely eclipses both of them. Clarity is about the same, but the depth of the sound, the fullness of the sound across the spectrum is vastly improved. Most surprisingly to me - the soundstage is at LEAST double what it was on either of the other two units with the LCD-2's, and a bit wider with the HD800 as well. This is contrary to what Gary experienced (he said he felt the soundstage was smaller) - but he must have been using a better separate amp) 

 

It even tamed the highs of the HD800, which were previously so shrill that I noticed I would physically cringe while listening to them. I could only handle a song or two on them before my ears were hurting, even at modest volumes.

 

Neddless to say - I am sold!

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