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Originally Posted by waynyold 
That's interesting. I'd like to think that I'm all about neutral, but I'm not so sure because I really do enjoy the sound coming out of the C3/BH combo for most of my iem's and closed headphones. So maybe I need a bit more colour in my life! More refinement is nice, and I get that with my E12 (usually off of my laptop & Hifimediy sabre dac) which provides extra power, control and refinement. It seems to work very well for my open headphones (ie AD900X and X1) and my 600ohm AKG 240's. But I ultimately prefer my iem's and closed headphones (ie WS99 and M500) off of the C3/BH. I see that I'm just rambling now, but I guess I'm not feeling the burning need to run out and get the C5 quite yet...

I like the euphoric signature and boost in clarity BH offers, I also notice background samples and micro detail become more obvious, like it adds some extra layering, whereas C5 is very much about keeping your source signal true but at the same time tightening up the control and power. I know what amps should do but just because an amp adds flavour doesn't make it bad, that added flavour (especially with the switch festures) is half the reason this thread pushed 200 pages. If however I had to take one of the amps without any added fun factor switches I'd probably lean for C5. C3/BH sounds good because of that blend between the two signatures.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 1/9/14 at 9:53pm
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I've noticed that if your headphones sound dull or dark the bh usually has great synergy with them

But if your cans are real lively like grados then it's a NO NO
post #3063 of 3408
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Originally Posted by Vanarian View Post


Let me tell you : stock T50rp are hungry already and the BH successfully drives them like I need. I'm never at full volume on my DAP or my amp or else it becomes too loud.
So it will drive the MadDogs you listed with enough authority if your original source is powerful too.

 

 

For the most part it will be from the on board sound card on my MB(Maximus Hero VI) to the C&C and then the headphones! 

 

I have my RE400s and my ipod for the go, so Mad Dogs will be used pretty much at home! 


Thanks for the input, it's so greatly appreciated :L3000:

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Originally Posted by Vanarian View Post

Let me tell you : stock T50rp are hungry already and the BH successfully drives them like I need. I'm never at full volume on my DAP or my amp or else it becomes too loud.

So it will drive the MadDogs you listed with enough authority if your original source is powerful too.


For the most part it will be from the on board sound card on my MB(Maximus Hero VI) to the C&C and then the headphones! 

I have my RE400s and my ipod for the go, so Mad Dogs will be used pretty much at home! 



Thanks for the input, it's so greatly appreciated L3000.gif

The BH is probably best with cans/iems that have a darker sound signature, yes. IF they can handle treble without presenting it with grain. The LF and SF switches put some serious strain on iems and you can't use them with everything. However the BH itself isn't aggressive per se in my opinion. The upper mids are smooth or a bit blurred and the bass is a little loose. Maybe the treble can be a bit edgy at times. But with switches off I find it to be quite neutral with a better ambiance and a much better soundstage than for example my phone.
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Originally Posted by Mdraluck23 View Post

Any other suggestions besides the BH?

it depends what you want and how much you want to pay.

adding to 200$ will get you JDS Labs C5 which gets rave responses, also Leckerton UHA4 at 200$. but for 90$ BH is impossible to beat.
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Hi all, based on the enthusiastic reports on here, I'm currently awaiting delivery of a Colorfly C3 and a C&C BH2!

Very excited, but wonder if you guys could give me any advice specific to my planned set up and usage ideas?

I'll be using a pair of IEM's called Audeo Phonak PFE 122's (or whichever model at the same price point - £149 - has no remote control).

Also, I am using a macbook air, but have downloaded the standard Fidelia app (without the headphone add-on as yet).

Am busy changing large amounts of my music from 320 mp3 to FLAC.

I usually will listen to a themed playlist ("relaxing", "rock", "hip hop", "acoustic" etc) whose tracks I will play at random.

I was thinking to buy a bunch of relatively small SD cards (4GB?) and try to duplicate FLAC versions of my existing playlists on each one, since from what I gather, trying to navigate or create playlists on the C3 is not much fun and I want to make it as simple and hassle-free as possible.

 

So, based on these factors, it would be great if you guys could suggest any things I can do from the start to make the process of learning to get the best out of this new equipment as pain-free as possible! :)

 

A few things I'd specifically like to know:

 

1) best settings to use for the C3 and BH to best match the IEM's I'm using (and I like bass a lot, albeit not to extremes).

 

2) I'm in the UK and will need an interconnect to go between the C3 and BH. 

Anyone know where I could find a good (very short) one, like a Fiio LOD? I've searched on Amazon, but the shortest I can find is 30cm!

 

3) I had a Fiio E11 previously. I read that it couldn't be used to improve the sound from my macbook air, but that the Fiio E17 could?

Something to do with the DAC in the E17? (can't remember now lol).

Even with Fidelia, am finding the bass and volume lacking using the macbook with the Audeo Phonak PFE 122's.

So can I use the BH with my Mac too? Or would I still need to buy an E17 or similar too?

 

4) Any other advice you care to give related to the above set up! I've read a lot of the C3 and BH threads, but I've suffered information overload by now and would also love it if the advice could be tailored to my specific set up! 

 

Thanks very much! :)

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Originally Posted by Layman1 View Post

 

Am busy changing large amounts of my music from 320 mp3 to FLAC.

 

I usually will listen to a themed playlist ("relaxing", "rock", "hip hop", "acoustic" etc) whose tracks I will play at random.

I was thinking to buy a bunch of relatively small SD cards (4GB?) and try to duplicate FLAC versions of my existing playlists on each one, since from what I gather, trying to navigate or create playlists on the C3 is not much fun and I want to make it as simple and hassle-free as possible.

 

 

I was going to go the FLAC route, but I am having a hard time discerning the difference between 320 mp3 and flac files, so I haven't bothered yet (at least for playing on my C3/BH).

 

Although it would work, for me I don't think that I would like having a bunch of 4GB cards and swapping them all of the time. I have a 64G card in my C3, and if I want a playlist, I simply create a folder for the songs on the card (this could result in duplicate files on the card, which is another reason I am largely sticking with mp3's for now). You can play the songs in the folder in shuffle mode, so there is your "random" requirement taken care of. 

 

If you want to have songs in the folder sorted in a particular manner, when copying them to the folder, you would have to rename the files such that they have a numeric sequence number prefix. I think foobar has that "re-name upon copy" function, but I'd have to double check.

 

You also need to have a program like "fat sorter" which re-sorts the files on the card. Some people accomplish the resorting by creating a new main folder on the card and copying all of the other folders on the card to it, but that hasn't worked properly for me. Hence "fat sorter".

 

I really wish the C3 handled playlists! And auto-turn off timer. And resume upon startup! (I gotta bitch about those things every now and then, and now was the time. But I still love the C3 :)


Edited by waynes world - 1/13/14 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Layman1 View Post
 

Hi all, based on the enthusiastic reports on here, I'm currently awaiting delivery of a Colorfly C3 and a C&C BH2!

Very excited, but wonder if you guys could give me any advice specific to my planned set up and usage ideas?

I'll be using a pair of IEM's called Audeo Phonak PFE 122's (or whichever model at the same price point - £149 - has no remote control).

Also, I am using a macbook air, but have downloaded the standard Fidelia app (without the headphone add-on as yet).

Am busy changing large amounts of my music from 320 mp3 to FLAC.

I usually will listen to a themed playlist ("relaxing", "rock", "hip hop", "acoustic" etc) whose tracks I will play at random.

I was thinking to buy a bunch of relatively small SD cards (4GB?) and try to duplicate FLAC versions of my existing playlists on each one, since from what I gather, trying to navigate or create playlists on the C3 is not much fun and I want to make it as simple and hassle-free as possible.

 

So, based on these factors, it would be great if you guys could suggest any things I can do from the start to make the process of learning to get the best out of this new equipment as pain-free as possible! :)

 

A few things I'd specifically like to know:

 

1) best settings to use for the C3 and BH to best match the IEM's I'm using (and I like bass a lot, albeit not to extremes).

 

2) I'm in the UK and will need an interconnect to go between the C3 and BH. 

Anyone know where I could find a good (very short) one, like a Fiio LOD? I've searched on Amazon, but the shortest I can find is 30cm!

 

3) I had a Fiio E11 previously. I read that it couldn't be used to improve the sound from my macbook air, but that the Fiio E17 could?

Something to do with the DAC in the E17? (can't remember now lol).

Even with Fidelia, am finding the bass and volume lacking using the macbook with the Audeo Phonak PFE 122's.

So can I use the BH with my Mac too? Or would I still need to buy an E17 or similar too?

 

4) Any other advice you care to give related to the above set up! I've read a lot of the C3 and BH threads, but I've suffered information overload by now and would also love it if the advice could be tailored to my specific set up! 

 

Thanks very much! :)

 

Congratulations on your purchase, I know that you will enjoy them paired with most any headphone. They make all my headphones sound good and have not heard a bad pairing yet.

 

1) I have always used the default settings as it sounds really good as is.

2) I did a review comparing interconnects from a UK ebay seller onest11 that you might be interested in:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/693970/comparing-amp-interconnect-silver-upgrades-silver-gold-basic-by-onest11

3) - 

4) I agree with the larger card with folders that you can use as playlists. It is easy enough to select the folders as waynes world mentioned and play them like playlists. I have collected a number of 30gb microSDs as i find them cheap to be interchanged between my players. But 30gb should give you plenty of room for numerous favorite playlist folders. 

 

Like most everyone else, i started with an iPod and iTunes so my playlists are imported from iTunes as my central organization. I use the free program Foobar to convert to Flac by creating a tab by the same name as the playlist and dragging and dropping all the highlighted songs from iTunes, to the Foobar folder to be converted. Right clicking the highlighted list in Foobar provides the conversion options. After selecting the flac option when first getting started, it becomes the default option. Before the conversion begins, you are able to select/create a folder on your microSD card where the converted files will be exported during creation. Since I manage a number of cards, I export to my dedicated music hard drive as a staging area first so that I can duplicate folders onto several cards. That's about it.

 

One last thing. Don't freak out when the player bricks during the first day or so as it is typical. Just use the paper clip press and hold method to reset the C3 in the pin hole next to the inputs. It has been ages since I have had that happen, but it always happens to new players. Probably due to the excessive button pushing new owners do when trying out every new option. :smile:

 

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by Barra View Post

 

One last thing. Don't freak out when the player bricks during the first day or so as it is typical. Just use the paper clip press and hold method to reset the C3 in the pin hole next to the inputs. It has been ages since I have had that happen, but it always happens to new players. Probably due to the excessive button pushing new owners do when trying out every new option. :smile:

 

Good point. This happens to me periodically, and before completely freaking, I go the paper clip route (actually, I find a paper clip hard to get in there and I have to use a pin), and then all is well :)

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Thanks Barra and Wayne's World!

Well, by sheer coincidence, my C3 arrived this morning!

I've just found that the only instruction manual is in Chinese! >.<

So that's somewhat rained on my parade, so to speak :p

No idea how to even get started! 

There's a USB cable, so I could plug it into my MacBook I guess? Haven't bought any SD cards, so will have to wait to start transferring music! For me, I only anticipate making a handful of playlists, so from that point of view, I really don't mind just chucking FLAC songs onto the cards and changing SD cards based on my mood, as there'll only be a few to mess around with anyway :p

 

Also, I seem to remember reading about the firmware updates.

I can't remember if it was for the C3 or the BH, but C3 seems more likely.

Someone had given a break down of the change in sound with each firmware update, confirming that one of the later ones (but NOT the latest!) gave the best sound?

 

Also, I have got a fair few songs in 24 bit FLAC format, but then just noticed that it seems the C3 can only play 16 bit FLAC files?

Anyone know if this is definitely true (and what would happen if I did try to play my existing 24 bit FLAC files on the C3?)

 

Am going to go out and buy a thin paperclip or needle in preparation lol, wish me luck!

All advice welcome again, and thanks! :)

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Originally Posted by Layman1 View Post
 

There's a USB cable, so I could plug it into my MacBook I guess?

Yes.

 

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Originally Posted by Layman1 View Post

 

Haven't bought any SD cards, so will have to wait to start transferring music!

You can use for now the internal memory of the C3.

 

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Originally Posted by Layman1 View Post

 

Also, I have got a fair few songs in 24 bit FLAC format, but then just noticed that it seems the C3 can only play 16 bit FLAC files?

That's right.
 
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Originally Posted by Layman1 View Post

 

(and what would happen if I did try to play my existing 24 bit FLAC files on the C3?

I don't know for sure.. it might be downsampled to 16 bit or not play at all.

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Just started using my BH with my new AKG K702's for the first time. I'm amazed at how easily it drives them, and it sounds great. I'm a happy man today :)

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What I've been doing this week. 



I must say it's been tiresome and rewarding at the same time juggling through these 5 amps. It's far to complicated to go into comparisons, lets just say I ended up choosing JDS C421 (OP2227) as my new portable amplifier. I find it gives be some fairly awesome synergy with my Etymotic ER4S, I would take the amp simply for that reason alone. Not far behind C421 I actually preferred C5 over UHA760, which by all means is a decent amp, just seems to lack some power and I wasn't getting any real wow factor compared to the JDS entries. UHA760 has excellent refinement and the widest stage however it doesn't sweep away like the other two JDS amps, even using the DAC section from my PC I wasn't overly impressed (especially at the asking price).

I feel the best way to look at this is the JDS amps are meeting somewhere just before diminishing returns kicks in. By all means maybe it is synergy related between me and UHA760? Meanwhile poor BH had to bow down in many areas, it does win prizes on battery life which we all love and admire. It just seems to fall behind being the little guy in the pack, (and also the cheapest) but still for $100 amp it's very cool and has the most features of all 5 remaining the most compact and portable of the lot


I can't get over the sound C421 puts out with  ER4S / IHIFI 760. This combination with well recorded FLAC files has taken my detailing levels to a new experience more so than both my Studio V units, I actually considered selling my 3rd Anv Studio after hearing this combination below, however decided I won't let it go so quickly. This set up also has great balance in the frequency range very neutral. I'm used to hearing some decent detail extension in vocals only adding C421 into the equation has uncovered new layers I've not heard before. Granted, you need a decent amount of volume to find these hidden layers, I'm hearing tone changes and note changes in vocals I've not experienced before, it's almost like two highly sensitive microphones picking up all the little nuances in a recording. Compared to 760 headphone out adding C421 crisps up the presentation, gives it an edge / bite you can feel the power on tap, and to add I no where near take the amp over half volume on low gain with the 100ohm ER4S.


I have my BH up for sale, the other amps are going back to their owners, it's a been great testing out these amps sifting through them picking one. Something that wouldn't be possible without having contacts on Head-fi. And with that said I'll leave you a pic of my new set up, one that just blows me away completely.


Edited by H20Fidelity - 1/15/14 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by Layman1 View Post
 

Hi all, based on the enthusiastic reports on here, I'm currently awaiting delivery of a Colorfly C3 and a C&C BH2!

Very excited, but wonder if you guys could give me any advice specific to my planned set up and usage ideas?

I'll be using a pair of IEM's called Audeo Phonak PFE 122's (or whichever model at the same price point - £149 - has no remote control).

Also, I am using a macbook air, but have downloaded the standard Fidelia app (without the headphone add-on as yet).

Am busy changing large amounts of my music from 320 mp3 to FLAC.

 

 

Hey man, so what does "changing" your music entail? Unless your re-reporting and converting uncompressed music files, such as .WAV or .AIFF into FLAC files, your wasting your time. Converting an existing 320 kbps files (compressed, not lossless audio) to FLAC (compressed, lossless) does not make any difference except increasing file size. Lossless audio cannot be created in any other way than from an uncompressed file (i.e. CDs). 

 

Hope that makes sense! 

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Originally Posted by MattAnthony1990 View Post
 

 

Hey man, so what does "changing" your music entail? Unless your re-reporting and converting uncompressed music files, such as .WAV or .AIFF into FLAC files, your wasting your time. Converting an existing 320 kbps files (compressed, not lossless audio) to FLAC (compressed, lossless) does not make any difference except increasing file size. Lossless audio cannot be created in any other way than from an uncompressed file (i.e. CDs). 

 

Hope that makes sense! 

re-ripping**

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