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Originally Posted by Swy05 View Post

I'd love to use an LOD but, my primary listening device is a Galaxy S3 (at least it's got the Wolfson DAC so it's not a total fail.)

 

So I'm stuck with the 3.5mm option.

 

 

Speaking of the BH amp.  Does anyone know of a good leather/hard case for this amp?

 

I'm thinking of getting the 3M Dual Lock and attaching the BH to my S3.  But would like a case (don't want to leave nasty gunk on the BH).

 

Dang, I have so many questions.  Can't wait.

 

 

I picked this case up to use with my Fiio E11. Works pretty well with the BH too. A little shelf liner helps to keep it in place as the BH is not as wide as the E11.

 

http://www.gizmodia.com/targusslidecaseforipodmini-softcasefordigitalplayer-leather-baeb01us.aspx


Edited by Vidmaven - 3/15/13 at 8:27am
post #1427 of 3283

Guys, I've never considered an amp to be necessary for any of my Dap/Iem combos as I've always found volume levels to be satisfactory although to be honest I've never actually tried an amp to know if it would actually offer any improvements in any other areas.

 

I mainly use my excellent Samsung Galaxy 4.2 player (& Neutron), a Sony X-series (I have an LOD for this) and my earphones of choice are usually the TF10, Sony MCH10, & Sony NC020

 

What else would this amp likely improve other than volume levels?

 

Also does anyone know the headphone output impedance on this amp?

 

Thanks.


Edited by Ari33 - 3/15/13 at 8:40am
post #1428 of 3283
Well are you using the dual lock with rubber based adhesive or acrylic?

Good tape idea Btw.
post #1429 of 3283
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Originally Posted by mpawluk91 View Post

Ok so here's my comparison between the c&c bh and the headstage arrow 4g. The song I'm using is Change (In the House of Flies) by the deftones, the file type is 256 aac iTunes bought. This test is done on both the ipod 5.5 flat eq and the iPod touch 4g flat eq and both using LOD, also the bh has LF on SF off and is on out 1 the arrow is on bass 1 and all other switches off. Volume 75% on both using Logitech UE 6000 closed headphones




First the bh : the acoustic guitar in the into is very pleasant and chill, and the the bass guitar hits hard and full sounding and present. Soft vocals from chino Moreno sound mega detailed, you can really hear every little crack in the voice. Background effects and voices sound very open and noticeable (one of my favorites things about the bh). Electric guitar kicks in loud with lots of treble and percussion from the drums while the bass line and louder but clear vocals continue, it executes instrumental separation pretty damn good but it's a little on the treble side

Now the arrow 4g: the acoustic guitar is very balanced and true sounding, the bass guitar slams into the intro with authority and very good control, nice rich sound. Then the soft vocals come in and have very good definition and calm. The background voices and effects are spot on but not as lovable as the bh. Electric guitar steals it big time with warmth and the vocals get louder and have meaning while sounding intentionally cold, the drums sound balanced and well spread. The bass falls behind the music and fills it in so freakin nice. The arrow seperates all this at once into a very layered and detailed presentation, this amp is honestly neutral and fills holes in the music one might say.

Overall the literal winner is the arrow 4g. It excels where most stuff struggles, the separation is better when things heat up
But honestly the bh might sound better to some people it's that close. And you can't beat the price and battery life. So if you have neither I would get the bh first to see if it suits you. Legendary deal! And better soundstage.

Hope you enjoyed (only took me an hour and a half)

 

Many thanks for this detailed review.  It was perfect timing for me as I've been "fence sitting" as to whether to purchase a "refurb" 4G or go with the BH.  Your detailed instrument/vocal "line by line" direct comparison was extremely helpful for my decision-making. 

 

Greatly appreciated!

post #1430 of 3283
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Originally Posted by Ari33 View Post

Guys, I've never considered an amp to be necessary for any of my Dap/Iem combos as I've always found volume levels to be satisfactory although to be honest I've never actually tried an amp to know if it would actually offer any improvements in any other areas.

 

I mainly use my excellent Samsung Galaxy 4.2 player (& Neutron), a Sony X-series (I have an LOD for this) and my earphones of choice are usually the TF10, Sony MCH10, & Sony NC020

 

What else would this amp likely improve other than volume levels?

 

Also does anyone know the headphone output impedance on this amp?

 

Thanks.

 

I used to be like you, I was a super budget 'audiophile' who thought amps as unnecessary. Eventually 'not enough' creeps up on you, and an amp becomes something of a want, but as soon as you get one, it becomes rather a necessity to your rig. 

 

They DO offer great improvement to sound, in my opinion. The BH has offered lots of improvements. It clears up the signal, and increases the soundstage with all switches off is pretty great compared to my iPod Touch straight from the jack. Then the switches come into play, and you're in another world of music ability that no amount of software EQ can do. 

 

There's a VERY good reason why many many head-fiers own (multiple) amps, and if it didn't offer improvement in sound, none of us would spend anywhere between $60 and many thousands of dollars for a dedicated headphone amp. That's a lot of money for a single function device, but it becomes necessary when you find out how limited on board amps really are. 

 

Then there's DACs. lol


Edited by Apo0th3karY - 3/15/13 at 1:13pm
post #1431 of 3283
Thanks a bunch. Will try that out.
post #1432 of 3283
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Originally Posted by 2Curiosity9 View Post

I also use 3M Dual Lock to attach my BH to my source, a Colorfly C3. To prevent it from leaving a sticky residue on the BH you can just lay down a piece of vinyl wrap, or a piece of masking tape or duct tape, about 3/4 the size of the Dual Lock, and then stick the Dual Lock on top. It provides a firm hold, but can also be removed when required. It will leave a very minimal sticky residue, but that only takes about a minute scrub with your bare hands, and it should be gone. 

Well....that's how I managed to use Dual Lock all these months anyways. tongue.gif

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Well are you using the dual lock with rubber based adhesive or acrylic?

Good tape idea Btw.
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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post

Well are you using the dual lock with rubber based adhesive or acrylic?

Good tape idea Btw.

Hmm I guess I didnt think of that. Whats the difference btw rubber and acrylic?
post #1433 of 3283
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Hmm I guess I didnt think of that. Whats the difference btw rubber and acrylic?

The rubber adhesive is much better for this type of function, it is much easier to remove and clean.
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Hi guys i was reading through the thread and i was wondering what the difference between the f1 and the bh are. 
 

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Hi guys i was reading through the thread and i was wondering what the difference between the f1 and the bh are. 

 

F1 has been designed for IEM use, has less power than BH and is a little older. I don't think anyone has tried one yet. I was thinking about it but I'm just to happy with the BH performance to feel any need to change. smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by H20Fidelity - 3/16/13 at 7:36am
post #1436 of 3283
Listening to good quality live performances can be tremendous on the bh especially if the sf switch is on
post #1437 of 3283
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

F1 has been designed for IEM use, has less power than BH and is a little older. I don't think anyone has tried one yet. I was thinking about it but I'm just to happy with the BH performance to feel any need to change. smily_headphones1.gif
From what i gather about the F1, is that its made for low impedance IEMs, more specifically balanced armature IEMs. There's a very large capacitor in the F1, resulting in its curved shape. This capacitor allows for alot more current to be delivered to those BA IEMs. I would say that <32 ohms you would want to put the F1 on your shopping list.
post #1438 of 3283
Thread Starter 
F1 probably performs really well, i don't know how much interest it would grab being specifically for IEM when the general rule here is low impedance IEM doesn't require amplification. I can see a few members shaking their naughty fingers I'n the air. tongue.gif

But sure, I may consider one I'n the future, if I knew it could perform higher than BH with my IEM collection I would be all over it, I'm just not willing to take that risk when I'm 100% satisfied with our current find.

Maybe another IEM user would like to give it a try, one who's wallet wouldn't suffer as much as mine atm.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 3/16/13 at 9:26am
post #1439 of 3283
Idk man I never really got in to iem's I always feel like something is missing compared to full out cans
post #1440 of 3283
Yeah you can never beat a full size headphone, but i would argue that IEMs are the better choice with a sub $300 budget.
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