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post #1111 of 3303

Well, I still think the C3 isn't a particularly good match with the BH. I like it with the ELE and with my audio cards at least until the weird noise come. I have a Hifimediy DAC ordered too, so I'll see how it fares with it when it comes. I'm still to lazy to try it with a lot of different equipment - I haven't even tried it with my Galaxy S to see if it will be picking a lot of EMI

post #1112 of 3303

My custom 3.5mm (wire length) 7N cryo treated Pure Copper LOD is ready apparently, should be send out to me today! biggrin.gif

 

I'd advise all of you in UK to use the same guy. Don't know if he does international.

 

This is the email he sent me on monday:

 

If you agree, I can construct especially for you a 7N pure copper LOD (OCC, cryo treated) less than 5 cm long,made of the same pure copper wire as listed,braided in 4.
I shall use the same connectors as pictured (Black dock connector -gold plated pins +Neutrik Rean 3.5mm jack-gold plated contacts).

 

- onest11

 

Yesterday he messaged me saying it was ready! L3000.gif


Edited by Lifted Andreas - 2/27/13 at 4:37am
post #1113 of 3303

Gek, thanks for letting know, sounds great. do you have his email or link to him? i need LOD to 3.5mm for my daughter's iPod Touch and iPhone 4s.

post #1114 of 3303

I'm still a bit undecided on this particular amp, first I have to write a bit why so you know my background a little more.

 

- I'm actually an @home listener-only at the computer. But desktop sized amps tends to be expensier and lack the extra switches/options that this amp comes with for example (even two different outputs with slightly different sound which can be seen as a feature too) and I happen to appriciate these additional "gimmicks" as I see them more like it increases the chance of me finding a suitable sound I like (I certainly don't belong to the "buhuu the amp packs a lot of gimmicky features so therefore it's less serious, buhuu"-camp). 

 

- I never liked IEMs, so I'm more interested how it fares with headphones, this thread seems to mainly focus on IEM-use I've noticed.

 

- I tend to look for a bit more neutral tonality with the amps, but comparing between warm / cold signatures as well as reverby/wet versus dry/crisp sound you can definitely put me towards the warm and liquidy camp as I hate cold & crispy sound. This headphone seems to steer towards that cold & dry signature based on feedback here so I'm unsure if its sound signature is a good fit for me.

 

- I listen to quite a lot of genres but EDM such as hardstyle I listen by far the most and I barely at all listen to genres such as blues & jazz (modern jazz / pop'ish jazz can be quite ok though).

 

- I need to be able to use the amp while charging but with this particular amp the 80hrs it's not that big issue but I'd prefer being able to leave it like say a week without having to worry about recharging. So I don't want to hear any electric noise etc while charging (bought an USB power adapter to be able to charge from the wall socket so avoid the USB electrical noise from the computer)

 

- I listen for the sake of enjoying music and not to analyze it. I get the most out of the listening when I feel like I have to tap my foot, nod the head within the rythm of the music, maybe sing along etc. While I strive for detailed sound I prioritize "engaging listen" more than anything, for me this comes from when I get a good balance of everything (but good balance to me means a great deal more than measured neutral bass) and it sounds reasonably forward overall / not laid-back and distant. As a owner of digiZoid ZO I love its way to present bass and mids very in your face (only with vZO2.1, the mids sounds a bit more laid-back on v2.3) but I could ideally use a touch more highs presence, the highs do take a small step back with this amp.

 

- I'm even a little interested in ZO + BH dual amping use due to ZO's wonderful precise bass adjustment (can get the exact desired bass amount) and not sure I can give up that for a slight SQ improvement, it has to be a rather large sound quality improvement for me to concider giving up that ability to finetune the bass quantity to perfect amount for my own taste but even so I probably won't be able to give up ZO because I've become acoustomed to determine if bass is suitable in the masterings of hardstyle recordings by if I "feel" the bass or not, when I start to feel it at my normal volume setting (I use a fixed volume I always listen to) I know it's on a suitable level. With ZO I get this ability and it has helped me bigtime, I wouldn't be able to judge listening ampless anymore.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/27/13 at 4:31am
post #1115 of 3303

RPG, no idea about full size helmets on BH, i use portable only with IEMs.

 

as concerns double amping i have both latest ZO2 and BH. i tried double amping C3 and result was not really good. first of all you receive more hissing, secondly i did not like the sound signature as i got impression something was missing or rolled off.. while ZO brought some more bass and warmth this came at the expense of soundstage and layering... so for me this was NO go...

 

actually i believe ZO is great product of its own if you use it only in bass boost mode. amping mode on ZO is not good enough for me but woofer mode is amazingly nice... still ZO is unable to pull the magic and it has a fair amount of hiss too. whatever is the conclusion i would never recommend double amping with ZO, waste of time and money IMHO. remember ZO is not cheap, actually it costs slightly more than BH. for 200$+ you can buy Jsd or if stretch your budget a bit then Leckerton.


Edited by Gintaras - 2/27/13 at 4:40am
post #1116 of 3303
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I'm still a bit undecided on this particular amp, first I have to write a bit why so you know my background a little more.

- I'm actually an @home listener-only at the computer. But desktop sized amps tends to be expensier and lack the extra switches/options that this amp comes with for example (even two different outputs with slightly different sound which can be seen as a feature too) and I happen to appriciate these additional "gimmicks" as I see them more like it increases the chance of me finding a suitable sound I like (I certainly don't belong to the "buhuu the amp packs a lot of gimmicky features so therefore it's less serious, buhuu"-camp). 

- I never liked IEMs, so I'm more interested how it fares with headphones, this thread seems to mainly focus on IEM-use I've noticed.

- I tend to look for a bit more neutral tonality with the amps, but comparing between warm / cold signatures as well as reverby/wet versus dry/crisp sound you can definitely put me towards the warm and liquidy camp as I hate cold & crispy sound. This headphone seems to steer towards that cold & dry signature based on feedback here so I'm unsure if its sound signature is a good fit for me.

- I listen to quite a lot of genres but EDM such as hardstyle I listen by far the most and I barely at all listen to genres such as blues & jazz (modern jazz / pop'ish jazz can be quite ok though).

- I need to be able to use the amp while charging but with this particular amp the 80hrs it's not that big issue but I'd prefer being able to leave it like say a week without having to worry about recharging. So I don't want to hear any electric noise etc while charging (bought an USB power adapter to be able to charge from the wall socket so avoid the USB electrical noise from the computer)

- I listen for the sake of enjoying music and not to analyze it. I get the most out of the listening when I feel like I have to tap my foot, nod the head within the rythm of the music, maybe sing along etc. While I strive for detailed sound I prioritize "engaging listen" more than anything, for me this comes from when I get a good balance of everything (but good balance to me means a great deal more than measured neutral bass) and it sounds reasonably forward overall / not laid-back and distant. As a owner of digiZoid ZO I love its way to present bass and mids very in your face (only with vZO2.1, the mids sounds a bit more laid-back on v2.3) but I could ideally use a touch more highs presence, the highs do take a small step back with this amp.

- I'm even a little interested in ZO + BH dual amping use due to ZO's wonderful precise bass adjustment (can get the exact desired bass amount) and not sure I can give up that for a slight SQ improvement, it has to be a rather large sound quality improvement for me to concider giving up that ability to finetune the bass quantity to perfect amount for my own taste but even so I probably won't be able to give up ZO because I've become acoustomed to determine if bass is suitable in the masterings of hardstyle recordings by if I "feel" the bass or not, when I start to feel it at my normal volume setting (I use a fixed volume I always listen to) I know it's on a suitable level. With ZO I get this ability and it has helped me bigtime, I wouldn't be able to judge listening ampless anymore.


As much you like the features and possible chances of a match I cannot say whether BH will be for you, since members have confirmed C&C BH does indeed lean towards cool from neutral, for your genres and bass preferences BH will not meet what you're looking for. It has a bass quality which represents more audiophile quantity, even with the LF switch engaged I do not think it will be enough coming from Zo and your basshead preferences. The highs I think will be what you're looking for, but overall it's not going to be warm and lush enough for you. You may be disapointed in the bass amounts no matter what improvements mids and highs may offer.

I cannot recommend the BH to you sorry, due to the areas I have highlighted.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 2/27/13 at 5:23am
post #1117 of 3303

H20, i believe BH is made for IEMs but full size helmets might be a tougher call for BH, as i could see from earlier comments some headphones pair fine but some just do not get through ... so i would say be careful and continue to inquire with people who use BH with headphones rather than IEMs.

post #1118 of 3303
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

H20, i believe BH is made for IEMs but full size helmets might be a tougher call for BH, as i could see from earlier comments some headphones pair fine but some just do not get through ... so i would say be careful and continue to inquire with people who use BH with headphones rather than IEMs.

I just don't think anyone coming from Zo's bass quantity in the amounts RPG uses will be enough regardless of headphone or IEM. I could be wrong.

What do you think? you have them both.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 2/27/13 at 5:24am
post #1119 of 3303
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

H20, i believe BH is made for IEMs but full size helmets might be a tougher call for BH, as i could see from earlier comments some headphones pair fine but some just do not get through ... so i would say be careful and continue to inquire with people who use BH with headphones rather than IEMs.

 

Well, a couple that pair fine with it are JVC HA-S500 (low gain) and Sony MDR-V55. wink.gif

 

Btw, H2O... I wonder why my impressions arent in the OP yet. tongue.gif

post #1120 of 3303
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geko95gek View Post

Well, a couple that pair fine with it are JVC HA-S500 (low gain) and Sony MDR-V55. wink.gif


Btw, H2O... I wonder why my impressions arent in the OP yet. tongue.gif

Where are they mate? I'll add them. Sorry I haven't been following the thread.

What are thoughts geko, are you satisfied with the bass quantity of BH coming from E11 with headphones?
post #1121 of 3303

H20, yes, i own both but you know i am not bass head. so far before i got my BH i used ZO only in subwoofer mode to bring fatter body to C3 sound signature. what ZO does well is bass boost but i would not recommend ZO as amp. this is why i changed to BH a month later and never looked back. IMHO something was missing on ZO. for dedicated bassheads ZO is a blessing but after parting with my ZO i do not miss anything in high-fidelity sound. actually i gain quality bass now with BH which helps C3 to free bass dimensionality and articulation. if you ask me i would say Yes, bass is less without ZO but quality of bass is miles ahead of what it was with ZO.

post #1122 of 3303
Thread Starter 
Yeah, that's what I thought, I know RPG is a basshead from seeing him around the forums and basshead club. I can't say BH will be enough. Very nice quality though! Only other option besides double amping would be to EQ, that's my view.
post #1123 of 3303

H20, i tried EQ on my S9 with BH but it does not cut it for me. I can only notice more distortions and sound clarity disappearing. Would not toy much with EQ either. You rather search for sound signature you like and this comes only when you carefully pick your DAP, IEMs and Amp. Otherwise you can find many people complaining about their gear which has nothing to do with sound quality but poor research they have done before purchasing. Same happens with photo gear when some guys buy mega buck camera or lens not knowing how to use it and come back with hillarious statements which make pros just laugh.

 

i am listening now to Sade's ''Love Deluxe'' on my C3+BH and find bass well-refined and good in quantity but that's me. the whole thing sounds magical to my ear and i love this little combo even more L3000.gif


Edited by Gintaras - 2/27/13 at 5:59am
post #1124 of 3303

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post #1125 of 3303

Well not all EQ's are the same either. I could of course also invest into a bit better quality hardware EQ for example which comes handy whatever I'm a basshead or not too.

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