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I don't like messing with the sound either and prefer to output bit perfect and get as close as possible to the original recordings. wink.gif

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I don't like messing with the sound either and prefer to output bit perfect and get as close as possible to the original recordings. wink.gif


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post #33 of 276
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Using EQ etc for a speaker system may be/is useful,but I listen exclusively with headphones and all sort of EQing compromises the integrity of a headphone as it changes the headphone's sound signature.I went through a lot of headphones to find the ones with the sound I like.

I think headphones like Audeze deserve that sort of "respect"!

Nevertheless,even unEQed....MC18 sounds really good!

 

I only use EQ to adjust the amount of sub bass/bass......EQ is a lot cheaper than buying "a lot of headphones to find the ones with the sound I like"!  Headfiers like an excuse to buy a new/different sounding headphone!  My point is, if someone uses crossfeed and thinks it reduces bass response, it can be remedied without buying new headphone, just EQ the bass with the excellent parametric equalizer in MC18.  If you can afford to go through a lot of headphones, fine, not everyone has the means to do that!  Everyone has different tastes in sound!

 

Enjoy your music! 

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I don't like messing with the sound either and prefer to output bit perfect and get as close as possible to the original recordings. wink.gif

 

I like bit perfect sound as well, that is why I use MC18!  I get the original recording.....i listen to 24/96 studio master recordings, and it doesn't get any closer than that!  But depending on your gears, DAC, amp, speakers, headphones, etc, that recording is not going to sound the same.  We all have different likes/dislikes in the way that sounds getting to our ears.  We all hear differently, we all have different gears!  That my friend is what makes this hobby fun!  bigsmile_face.gif

post #35 of 276

Have anyone ever played a song and it randomly pauses (half a second) for a bit during song play and start again?

 

Seems like a lag issue to me, but i don't have any other programs running.

 

Tim

post #36 of 276

What is everyone using?

 

WASAPI 

WASAPI -Event Style

Some kind of ASIO driver

or Other (what is it)

 

I'm using WASAPI Event Style after Matt @ JRiver Suggested it to me.

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What is everyone using?

 

WASAPI 

WASAPI -Event Style

Some kind of ASIO driver

or Other (what is it)

 

I'm using WASAPI Event Style after Matt @ JRiver Suggested it to me.

 

I had been using Wasapi Event Syle for the last few years, until I found a post by JazzDoc that I will link below...thought it was an interesting read so I thought I would give it a try.  I am now using Wasapi on my MC18 and Wasapi event style in MC16 so I can switch A/B and compare.....there is a noticable difference to my ears, but not everyone has the same DAC, Amp, headphones, speakers etc, so sound can vary greatly.  I also use 44.1 to 88.2 resampling and crossfeed standard increased spatialization (crossfeed for headphones only, off for speakers).  It is fun to experiment, and can always be reversed.....here is the link:

 

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=62784.0

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I had been using Wasapi Event Syle for the last few years, until I found a post by JazzDoc that I will link below...thought it was an interesting read so I thought I would give it a try.  I am now using Wasapi on my MC18 and Wasapi event style in MC16 so I can switch A/B and compare.....there is a noticable difference to my ears, but not everyone has the same DAC, Amp, headphones, speakers etc, so sound can vary greatly.  I also use 44.1 to 88.2 resampling and crossfeed standard increased spatialization (crossfeed for headphones only, off for speakers).  It is fun to experiment, and can always be reversed.....here is the link:

 

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=62784.0

 

 

wow - That was something else..    I'll have to at least give it a try..biggrin.gif

post #39 of 276
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wow - That was something else..    I'll have to at least give it a try..biggrin.gif

 

Make sure to post your impressions here!

post #40 of 276
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In my experience, any type of spatialization enhancement adversely impacts the lower frequencies and thins out the presentation. Having said that the cross feed function is reasonably transparent, but something is lost in translation, for sure.
post #41 of 276
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Also regarding WASAPI event style, I had problems with regular WASAPI and event style fixed them all. Also, I recall the poster of the above mentioned a/b comparison thread ultimately changed his mind about event style if you read the whole thread. I thought his ultimate conclusion was that he preferred it.
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Why resample 44.1 to a higher bit rate. It is not up sampling like some high end devices do. I would think the best results would be had from playing the source at its original sample rate. I don't think the resampling does any interpolation like say, a dCS up sampling machine. The whole point of WASAPI is to ensure you are playing at the native rate regardless of how Windows is configured.
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In my experience, any type of spatialization enhancement adversely impacts the lower frequencies and thins out the presentation. Having said that the cross feed function is reasonably transparent, but something is lost in translation, for sure.

 

Crossfeed is only meant for headphones, and it is meant to give your ears the sense of listening to speakers in a listening room, because you only hear the left channel in your left ear and the right channel in your right ear.....crossfeed takes some from the left channel and puts it in your right ear, and from the right channel puts it into your  left ear, much the way you would hear speakers, your headphones would sound more like speakers, making the sound less fatigueing........jRiver has an excellent Parametric Equalizer, so you can EQ the low end up a litter if you think it is lacking.  For me crossfeed gives a bigger soundstage, better separation, and imaging.  But all that depends on you other jRiver settings as well as you DAC, amp, headphones, speakers, cables, etc.  Jan Meier implements crossfeed in many of his higher end amps, and his explanation really makes sense, and I use it always when listening to headphones on my home gears.  Crossfeed and EQ can also be implemented by upgrading you Sansa Fuze, Clip, Clip zip Rockboxed!  We each have our own listening preferences, and preferred sound sig.....that is what makes this hobby fun.  In the end you have to please yourself......but I am having terific results with my settings!

 

Enjoy your music!

post #44 of 276
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Originally Posted by BlackstoneJD View Post

Also regarding WASAPI event style, I had problems with regular WASAPI and event style fixed them all. Also, I recall the poster of the above mentioned a/b comparison thread ultimately changed his mind about event style if you read the whole thread. I thought his ultimate conclusion was that he preferred it.

 

The mode Wasapi event style, regualr Wasapi and others all depend on your DAC, some DAC's won't accept either......all harware dependent or you may run into problems.......you need to do your research, starting what your DAC mfg recommends!

post #45 of 276
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Originally Posted by BlackstoneJD View Post

Why resample 44.1 to a higher bit rate. It is not up sampling like some high end devices do. I would think the best results would be had from playing the source at its original sample rate. I don't think the resampling does any interpolation like say, a dCS up sampling machine. The whole point of WASAPI is to ensure you are playing at the native rate regardless of how Windows is configured.

 

I use 88.2 resampling for all of my 44.1 music....I learned this a couple of years ago from an Audiophile of 25 years......it was quite a long read, but it made sense to me, and is free to try, can be switched on and off quickly with MC18.  These ears hear a difference, and the music sounds like more information is getting to my ears, more airy sound, etc.,  but there are a lot of Audiophile settings in jRiver MC and it is fun exploring them.  It is most notable on well mastered cd's.  After discovering the benefits, I will always use it.....personal preferences that are free to try!  The best thing about jRiver MC!  Most don't even look into all of the Audiophile capabilites, but that is fine!

 

Some doubt everything, some don't believe cables make a difference, some can't hear a difference from wav vs flac........this is all personal preference, technologically unproven, but I trust my ears, maybe it is just placebo, many would argue that....you need to do what pleases you!

 

Just enjoy your music!


Edited by cute - 12/28/12 at 9:56am
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