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which stack do you think would go better with m-100's? coming straight out of a new (retina) MBP.

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which stack do you think would go better with m-100's? coming straight out of a new (retina) MBP.
I think the O2 would probably be a better choice simply because the Magni has twice the power output of the O2 and 5 times the gain if you use the O2's 1.0x unity gain, which I recommend using with the fairly sensitive M-100.

I'm heading off to a mini-meet today and the Magni will probably be there. I can test the M-100 there and report back here if my opinion differs.

As for DACs, the Modi looks nicer, but the ODAC is really small an compact. I have the ODAC because I can easily slip it in my backpack to local meets and have easy access to it at school. It makes no sense for me to carry around an external desktop hard drive-sized DAC.
Edited by miceblue - 1/26/14 at 11:44am
post #423 of 434
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I'm heading off to a mini-meet today and the Magni will probably be there. I can test the M-100 there and report back here if my opinion differs.
 

that would be amazing, that you so much!  as for dacs, I dont mind about portability.. it's going to stay on my desk at work forever.

post #424 of 434
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I'm heading off to a mini-meet today and the Magni will probably be there. I can test the M-100 there and report back here if my opinion differs.

 
that would be amazing, that you so much!  as for dacs, I dont mind about portability.. it's going to stay on my desk at work forever.
Or not. The Magni/Modi combo wasn't there since the person couldn't make it. >.>

But from the given information for each amp and M-100, I find the O2 at 1.0x gain with the M-100 is plenty loud for me. Similar reasons have been stated for more sensitive earphones; the Magni, although good, might be too loud for that type of headphone.
post #425 of 434
Anyone knows how the magni+ modi compare to the Vali+modi combo ? I'm trying to drive my HD-650's and HE-400's from my MacBook retina
post #426 of 434
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

The real question is, would mixing-and-matching the DACs with the amps produce better / worse results? Since there are two components at play here in each combo, it could always be the possibility that one combo has a better DAC and the other a better amp, thus nullifying the differences.

same issue here. I use my ATH-m50's as well as a pair of ATH-AD700x's so, according to TMRaven, it would be better to purchase the O2 over the Magni. However, I am wondering if pairing the O2 with the Modi produce better/worse results? If the result is better because of TMRaven's reason to but the O2, I would prefer to pair the O2 with the Modi because I have a small budget (<$250).

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Originally Posted by dmxvz View Post

Anyone knows how the magni+ modi compare to the Vali+modi combo ? I'm trying to drive my HD-650's and HE-400's from my MacBook retina

On a different thread I read that the Vali is a small step up from the Magni but I don't know how it pairs with the Modi. Personally, if I were to choose from the two, I would choose the Vali for its tube sound. I would have bought the Vali for my first headphone amp but instead I bought the PA2V2 by Gary Ali because it is portable. I have yet to choose between the Magni and the O2 for use at home. My apologies for losing the mentioned thread and not being able to link it here.

post #428 of 434

Hi, guys. 

 

I can't decide which of the stacks to buy. I have DUNU DN-1000 and I am going to get AT M50x or beyerdynamic DT-770 80ohms, also I have the very old hifi JBL SG-2030.

 

Topic starter says that The Objective Combo is good for sensitive headphones and IEM. I don't know whether M50x or 770 and DUNU are sensitive headphones?

 

Also the important think for me is a possibility to connect DAC to my hifi (it has only RCA input).

 

I think the The Objective Combo with RCA is good option, but this combo is more expensive at $150 than Magni/Modi.

 

P.S. Can you use my 3.5mm to RCA converter to connect AMP to my hifi? ::evil: 


Edited by mike1808 - 9/1/14 at 10:56am
post #429 of 434
Hey guys, newbie audio hobbyist here, since I can't create a new thread yet I'll post here (and maybe a few other relevant threads).
After reading the related threads for a while, I gather that the Magni/Modi vs. O2/ODAC dilemma have been largely unresolved in the 2 years' time that both of the products were simultaneously available, and the attempts to arrive at a conclusion are too subjective to rely upon, some are even contradictory but still right in their own regard. What I find most peculiar though, is that nobody has released a video review of the two combos to date, afaik. Maybe it's just me, but I find that it preferable to watch a concrete, to the point video as opposed to reading endless discussions that usually leave me more confused that I was prior to that.

(TL;DR) Despite all that, I've managed to formulate the following questions:
1.
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Originally Posted by swmtnbiker View Post

Modi/Magni have a smaller soundstage and less air around instruments.

 


Can the same be said for O2/ODAC?
2.
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post


mixing-and-matching the DACs with the amps produce better / worse results?


 


Would be great if someone could actually test this (TMRaven?), have heard multiple times that the best combo out of the 4 possibilities is the O2/Modi. Not sure whether I'd actually do that because of the aesthetics, doesn't make me any less curious.
3. Is there really no significant difference between the two combos? I find it very hard to believe in light of the price difference, and the appearance difference only adds to the confusion.
4. Some say that the Modi is more "musical" than the ODAC, what does this even mean?
5. Is there anything else apart from those two combos in terms of value? Audio-GD? Any of the other combos on Massdrop?

Headphones I intend to use the combo with: AKG K7XX; AKG Q701; AKG K272; Hifiman RE400;
Preferred genres: classical (youtu.be/KbT0TrFYbOw); metal (youtu.be/8WvRGUiRGoo)
Current setup: old Sony laptop paired with the K272/RE400.

Disclaimer: as previously stated, I'm aware of not being anywhere near savvy in the hobby, so my opinion and the conclusions I have arrived at might be wrong. If that is the case, I encourage the more informed members to correct me without hesitation. Any suggestions/recommendations would also be appreciated.
post #430 of 434

Can anyone here give their thoughts on how the Magni/Modi stack pairs with the following headphones?:

• HD 600

• Fidelio X1

• ATH-M50

• MDR-V6

 

Anyone use a Vali/Modi stack with these cans? I'm basically deciding whether the Magni or Vali will better complement my cans.

post #431 of 434

Hi guys,

 

Sadly, I just got my Magni and Modi earlier this month. It's 2-3 days passed the 15-days guarantee.

 

I'm wondering how much better is Magni 2 and Modi 2 sounded than the original M&M.

 

I'm in Canada, if they are not better than the original M&M by $50(shipping cost) difference, I'll probably just keep them.

 

Would love your thoughts... coz this M&M 2 announcement has been getting me kind of regretting buying an amp/dac combo in a rush..

post #432 of 434
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Originally Posted by Gloomy Moonie View Post

Hey guys, newbie audio hobbyist here, since I can't create a new thread yet I'll post here (and maybe a few other relevant threads).
After reading the related threads for a while, I gather that the Magni/Modi vs. O2/ODAC dilemma have been largely unresolved in the 2 years' time that both of the products were simultaneously available, and the attempts to arrive at a conclusion are too subjective to rely upon, some are even contradictory but still right in their own regard. What I find most peculiar though, is that nobody has released a video review of the two combos to date, afaik. Maybe it's just me, but I find that it preferable to watch a concrete, to the point video as opposed to reading endless discussions that usually leave me more confused that I was prior to that.

(TL;DR) Despite all that, I've managed to formulate the following questions:
1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by swmtnbiker View Post

Modi/Magni have a smaller soundstage and less air around instruments.

 


Can the same be said for O2/ODAC?
2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 


mixing-and-matching the DACs with the amps produce better / worse results?

 


Would be great if someone could actually test this (TMRaven?), have heard multiple times that the best combo out of the 4 possibilities is the O2/Modi. Not sure whether I'd actually do that because of the aesthetics, doesn't make me any less curious.
3. Is there really no significant difference between the two combos? I find it very hard to believe in light of the price difference, and the appearance difference only adds to the confusion.
4. Some say that the Modi is more "musical" than the ODAC, what does this even mean?
5. Is there anything else apart from those two combos in terms of value? Audio-GD? Any of the other combos on Massdrop?

Headphones I intend to use the combo with: AKG K7XX; AKG Q701; AKG K272; Hifiman RE400;
Preferred genres: classical (youtu.be/KbT0TrFYbOw); metal (youtu.be/8WvRGUiRGoo)
Current setup: old Sony laptop paired with the K272/RE400.

Disclaimer: as previously stated, I'm aware of not being anywhere near savvy in the hobby, so my opinion and the conclusions I have arrived at might be wrong. If that is the case, I encourage the more informed members to correct me without hesitation. Any suggestions/recommendations would also be appreciated.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the amp and dac has a flat or reasonably flat frequency response, then most people would not be able to tell the difference between them. Tomshardware put up an article where they compared an onboard soundchip ($2), soundcard, dedicated amp/dac, and high end amp/dac ($1000+) and concluded that they could not be reliably distinguished from each other.

 

So in choosing between the O2/ODAC and Magni/Modi, decide based upon variables other than sound quality since I haven't seen anyone contradict the statement that they're transparent.

 

Personally, I'm struggling with whether I should spring for any of those stacks in the first place. I have a FiiO E10K amp/dac which cost only $75 and seems perfectly fine driving my HD600's. I can't get anyone to conclusively say that either stack would give me better sound quality.

post #433 of 434
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Originally Posted by blse59 View Post
 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if the amp and dac has a flat or reasonably flat frequency response, then most people would not be able to tell the difference between them. Tomshardware put up an article where they compared an onboard soundchip ($2), soundcard, dedicated amp/dac, and high end amp/dac ($1000+) and concluded that they could not be reliably distinguished from each other.

 

So in choosing between the O2/ODAC and Magni/Modi, decide based upon variables other than sound quality since I haven't seen anyone contradict the statement that they're transparent.

 

Personally, I'm struggling with whether I should spring for any of those stacks in the first place. I have a FiiO E10K amp/dac which cost only $75 and seems perfectly fine driving my HD600's. I can't get anyone to conclusively say that either stack would give me better sound quality.

 

I agree with you. I've been looking at upgrading my amp but I'm just not convinced it wouldn't just be a side-grade.

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I agree with you. I've been looking at upgrading my amp but I'm just not convinced it wouldn't just be a side-grade.


Alright, I just ordered an O2 amp. I'm going to connect my E10K to it as a dac, then compare it to the standalone E10K dac/amp and see for myself if this amp talk is voodoo or real. I'm skeptical.

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