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post #316 of 428

I just bought a pair of Pro 900's off Ebay and was wondering if the Magni+Modi would be a good match for them. It seems as if they would, as I have read that a bright to neutral amp works well with the Pro 900's and from what iv'e read so far that is the case with this Amp+DAC combo.

post #317 of 428
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Originally Posted by Makavelian View Post

I just bought a pair of Pro 900's off Ebay and was wondering if the Magni+Modi would be a good match for them. It seems as if they would, as I have read that a bright to neutral amp works well with the Pro 900's and from what iv'e read so far that is the case with this Amp+DAC combo.

I cant comment too far on that because I only have the O2 combo at the moment, but the Pro 900 works great with my two Objectives. The Magni seems almost audibly identical to the O2 (but with more power output), so I wouldn't expect the Pro 900 and Magni combo to be bad at all.

That being said, I dont have direct experiences with the two being used together, but I'm sure it wont be bad by far.
post #318 of 428

Was looking at the o2+odac combo but if the Magni/modi does the job for that much less...would anyone recommend it as an upgrade over the udac2? I'm wearing the Audio Technica A700x. I'm basically looking for a greater soundstage and less muddy sounding bass.

post #319 of 428
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Originally Posted by Alchemist007 View Post

Was looking at the o2+odac combo but if the Magni/modi does the job for that much less...would anyone recommend it as an upgrade over the udac2? I'm wearing the Audio Technica A700x. I'm basically looking for a greater soundstage and less muddy sounding bass.

 

As far as I know from impressions, I would go for ODAC w/ RCA outputs over Modi... And maybe Magni along if you don't mind very high gain that can possibly cause problems (remember that ODAC is already outputting 2vrms).

 

O2 has VERY good soundstage and very clear bass... That said, Magni could maybe give you a more excitement since it appears to be a bit less neutral.

 

Well, to put it clear, I would choose this:

1) Desktop O2/ODAC combo (or separate) w/ RCA outputs, 1/4 headphone out and 1x + 2.5x gain configuration (possible to order from Mayflower electronics)

2) ODAC + Magni OR ODAC + ordinary O2 (up to you)

3) Modi + Magni


Edited by RustA - 4/18/13 at 11:28am
post #320 of 428
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

 

As far as I know from impressions, I would go for ODAC w/ RCA outputs over Modi... And maybe Magni along if you don't mind very high gain that can possibly cause problems (remember that ODAC is already outputting 2vrms).

 

O2 has VERY good soundstage and very clear bass... That said, Magni could maybe give you a more excitement since it appears to be a bit less neutral.

 

Well, to put it clear, I would choose this:

1) Desktop O2/ODAC combo (or separate) w/ RCA outputs, 1/4 headphone out and 1x + 2.5x gain configuration (possible to order from Mayflower electronics)

2) ODAC + Magni OR ODAC + ordinary O2 (up to you)

3) Modi + Magni

I'm new here at head fi and have been roaming around the website for almost a month now.  I'm very interested in getting the AKG Q701s.  But anyhow, my main question is which pair goes better with the headphones I'm interested in? I've seen a lot of mixed opinions.  Would I really tell a difference on the Q701 with the Modi & Magni vs the O2/ODAC?


Edited by BROM3O - 4/29/13 at 3:09pm
post #321 of 428
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post

 

Hey all,

 

Man, it's getting heated in here. Can we be friends? Or am I the devil incarnate, here to lasso your wallet out of your unsuspecting pockets and reduce you to slavering devotees chanting, "schiit, schiit, schiit, more schiit" for the rest of your lives, eagerly forgoing meals and housing so you can simply purchase that next, shiny product?

 

No wait, that's Apple. 

 

Kidding, of course. I own a ton of Apple products, and I can't wait until their new UberRetina $3K laptop is out...no, wait, I also have a Galaxy Nexus. And PCs. Ah, well. Guess that reality distortion field only goes so far.

 

But I did want to address a couple of things here.

 

First, the statements "overall feedback is bad," "class A results in superb performance" and "fully discrete designs are better." We never said any of those things. Ever. Those are value judgements. We have said, "we use no overall feedback designs when we can, we prefer fully discrete topologies, and we do Class A amplifiers," before, but those are not value judgements--those are statements of what we do. If other companies have a different approach to sonic nirvana, then that's totally cool. But, bottom line, we don't build ourselves up by cutting others down. It's part of our principles. www.schiit.com/about/principles

 

Second, I understand that many of you don't like our approach of blending instrumented testing with listening tests, considering that we're, well, a little touched in the head. Or delusional. Or somehow trying to trick you. Or your friends. Or whatever. That's cool, too. I used to be exactly the same. I bought amps on the spec sheet. Then, when I started working at Sumo, I had some experiences that really shook my faith in the measurements. Now, that's not to say the differences in amps and other components are as big as some people make them out to be. That's why we always tell people to put their money in transducers first, then amps and such if they need them later. So, just nod at us old nutters and check out some other great products if our approach doesn't work for you. 

 

Third, high gain on the Magni. Yep. It's not going to be for everyone, and maybe it does reflect our love of planar headphones. We'll temper our language regarding "great for everything including IEMs." Though it is quiet enough for IEMs, I understand that the gain might be problematic if you don't want to use software volume control. That said, Modi is a real 24-bit USB receiver and DAC, so you can definitely run 24 bits in.

 

Fourth, I notice here that someone had a bum Magni. Sorry about that! If you'd wanted another Magni, we would have offered a return/exchange, where we issue a call tag and send a new product as soon as the return is shipped back to us. One thing most people seem to agree on is that our customer service is very good.

 

Fifth, heck, I forgot what I was talking about. Excuse this novel. I'll return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

 

All the best,

Jason

Could you elaborate on how your faith in measurements shook?

post #322 of 428
Ok so I'm stuck between the o2/odac and magni/modi. I'm running iTunes and Vox, AAC and FLAC files I'm trying to understand what this high gain problem is or could be. Does it mean it will give me feedback? Also am using Grado sr80i 32ohm.
post #323 of 428

If you get the O2 and plan on using it on the desktop with a 2V source (such as the ODAC) I would adjust the gains to the following:

3.5x as high

1x as low

post #324 of 428

Modi +1 

Magni a bit too bright for my taste

post #325 of 428
Seems like most people think the o2/odac is the better choice. But the modi/magni looks so good. 😩
post #326 of 428

I think its the better choice but I dont think you will really hear any real world differences between the two....one may be a bit less quiet with more sensitive cans but when your listening to louder levels etc it doesnt really matter.

 

I have owned the Schiit ASGARD and Lyr..both built well and worked well.....

 

I have 2 odacs and o2 amps which work well.

 

My preference is the o2 based on the design and the results.

 

A.

post #327 of 428
Will it make a huge or subtle difference upgrading from a Fiio E17?
post #328 of 428

What is your question?

 

Upgrading from a E17 to a Schiit Modi.Magni? or to a o2 amp and ODAC?

 

A.

post #329 of 428
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Originally Posted by RustA View Post

 

As far as I know from impressions, I would go for ODAC w/ RCA outputs over Modi... And maybe Magni along if you don't mind very high gain that can possibly cause problems (remember that ODAC is already outputting 2vrms).

 

O2 has VERY good soundstage and very clear bass... That said, Magni could maybe give you a more excitement since it appears to be a bit less neutral.

 

Well, to put it clear, I would choose this:

1) Desktop O2/ODAC combo (or separate) w/ RCA outputs, 1/4 headphone out and 1x + 2.5x gain configuration (possible to order from Mayflower electronics)

2) ODAC + Magni OR ODAC + ordinary O2 (up to you)

3) Modi + Magni

 

Why do some people prefer the ODAC with RCA outputs? To connect the ODAC to a (high-end) amp or receiver?

post #330 of 428

My guess is because RCA is pretty much standard for consumer/home audio.

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