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Edit: Deleted, quoted wrong post

Edited by stupidmop - 2/15/14 at 11:40am
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Yea i have played around with the output resistance. I find that the overal tonaility becomes slightly darker but it also sounds less dynamic. The AD900X is a 38ohm phone so med res is nearly the same (32ohm). From what i have read that really hurts dampining factor. 

 

I just found foobar and the WASAPI plugin so now I can control the source vol without worrying about sq degrading. Currently have my Hifimediy Sabre at around 30% for comfortable listening. Would like a little more bass through...  

 

I know the JJ E88CC probably need a bit more time to "burn in" ( got about 30hrs on it so far ) but I dont think the low end will come in much more then it has. Could be wrong though. 

Which 12AU7 would you reccomend that keeps the mids and highs of the E88CC but has a bit more low end impact?

 I hesitate because I've never noticed a diff in volume between my tubes, and i have hundreds of all diff variations. I've noticed distortion in some of my 12ax7s but they aren't any louder than the 12au7s or 6922s. With that being said maybe a raytheon 5814 windmill getter. Excellent tube with excellent bass. A few pages back I did a quick list of impressions of a few tubes, might wanna check those out. Chinook9 and others also posted some really nice impressions.

 

Mop

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I have about 25 tubes and and I really like about 20 of them, but right now the 6N6P is my favorite.

if you like the 6N6P you may like the 6H30Pi either the sovtec or the electro-harmonix. It has an 800 milliamp heater current but works well with the sunrise II and a little more detail than the 6N6P IMO the sunrise II has a 1 amp heater power supply

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You can try to find a Voskhod 6n23p ("rocket logo",72-75). It has  really amazing bass.

I agree sounds great

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if you like the 6N6P you may like the 6H30Pi either the sovtec or the electro-harmonix. It has an 800 milliamp heater current but works well with the sunrise II and a little more detail than the 6N6P IMO the sunrise II has a 1 amp heater power supply

 

Since the 6N6P statement, I have acquired a few different headphones and now I tend to lean toward the 6N23P-EV.  The older ones of these are becoming harder to find and I like them so much I have acquired 3.......all Reflector plant which I like better than the Voskhod.

 

I have checked out the 6N30P-DR on the bay but haven't pulled the trigger on the older Reflector version. Have you compared the vintage version with the Sovtek or Electro Harmonix?  I believe that Jeremy indicated that the Sovtek are just the same.

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Since the 6N6P statement, I have acquired a few different headphones and now I tend to lean toward the 6N23P-EV.  The older ones of these are becoming harder to find and I like them so much I have acquired 3.......all Reflector plant which I like better than the Voskhod.

 

I have checked out the 6N30P-DR on the bay but haven't pulled the trigger on the older Reflector version. Have you compared the vintage version with the Sovtek or Electro Harmonix?  I believe that Jeremy indicated that the Sovtek are just the same.

My understanding is that they are both made in the same plant the EH has gold pins and better QA 

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Since the 6N6P statement, I have acquired a few different headphones and now I tend to lean toward the 6N23P-EV.  The older ones of these are becoming harder to find and I like them so much I have acquired 3.......all Reflector plant which I like better than the Voskhod.

 

I have checked out the 6N30P-DR on the bay but haven't pulled the trigger on the older Reflector version. Have you compared the vintage version with the Sovtek or Electro Harmonix?  I believe that Jeremy indicated that the Sovtek are just the same.

I have not tried the 6H30 DR I may buy one but my favorite tubes so far are the voskhod 6N23 1970's I have 7 of them and the reflectors of the same vintage I have 4 of them they are relatively cheap and sound great


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I have not tried the 6H30 DR I may buy one but my favorite tubes so far are the voskhod 6N23 1970's I have 7 of them and the reflectors ov the same vintage I have 4 of them they are relatively cheap and sound great

 

Are any of your 6N23P tubes the EV version?  I have found that I like these better.  I had a 6N23P Voskhod 1985 but I like the Reflector a bit more, especially the EV version.  I have never seen the EV version from any plant other than Reflector.

 

If I can get a decent deal on the Electro Harmonix 6N30-DR I may spring for one of them.  Aren't these made in one of the old Russian plants?

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Ya I have a couple of EV like them I believe the 6H30DR was made in Novosibirsk

not sure though

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Originally Posted by chinook9 View Post
 

 

Since the 6N6P statement, I have acquired a few different headphones and now I tend to lean toward the 6N23P-EV.  The older ones of these are becoming harder to find and I like them so much I have acquired 3.......all Reflector plant which I like better than the Voskhod.

 

I have checked out the 6N30P-DR on the bay but haven't pulled the trigger on the older Reflector version. Have you compared the vintage version with the Sovtek or Electro Harmonix?  I believe that Jeremy indicated that the Sovtek are just the same.

I have not tried the 6H30 DR I may buy one but my favorite tubes so far are the voskhod 6N23 1970's I have 7 of them and the reflectors ov the same vintage I have 4 of them they are relatively cheap and sound great

 

 

Hello gents,

 

It just so happens that I am playing with a 6N6P (from Jeremy) and a 6N23P (from Chinook9). What is amazing about the 6H6P is that it is also used as a power tube in my Little Dot MKIII, which sounds great.

 

I find that the 6N6P has a lush, full sound in the LD and PS2. In the LD, it is running a plate voltage around 170 volts, but it sounds great at 12 volts also.

 

When I plugged the 6N23P in the PS2, I did not have to change the BIAS setting at all. I find the sound similar to the 6N6P sound much the same with slightly less "dynamic impact" but quite acceptable.

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 I like the russian tubes, mine are diamond logo 6N23PEV but they just aren't for me. I found the soundstage small and overall a bit dry. I got an ECC85 mullard shield logo and it is spectacular. Hasn't been outta my sunrise for 3 days, pairs nicely with my dt770s. Tames the highs a little and pulls the mids out front, also keeping the bass slammin.

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I posted what is below in Project Ember Review by mistake:

 

To digress a bit to 6 volt land: GE 6DJ8 smoked glass vs Sylvania 6922 vs Voshkod Rocket 6H23.

 

The 6922 (Google research) is considered an upgraded 6DJ8 The GE 6DJ8 has a "smoked" glass, which is actually an RF shield--it IS really quiet.

 

The Rocket 6H23 is highly respected in Google research.

 

I used one pair of phones--DT880 and one song--Steely Dan's "AJA". Any SD song is good--they were "infamous" at recording studios for retakes.

 

Bottom line is that all three sounded very close--no winner! I guess part of that is that the Ember has been quoted as making "any tube sound good", however, some sound better than others.

 

I generally prefer 12 volt tubes, but, to me, these three compete on an equal level with some but not all.

 

Next pass is Pink Floyd "Wish You Were Here" and "Dark Side of the Moon" remastered.

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I think the ember is more solid state which would b why there isnt much diff ymmv
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Originally Posted by chinook9 View Post
 

 

Since the 6N6P statement, I have acquired a few different headphones and now I tend to lean toward the 6N23P-EV.  The older ones of these are becoming harder to find and I like them so much I have acquired 3.......all Reflector plant which I like better than the Voskhod.

 

I have checked out the 6N30P-DR on the bay but haven't pulled the trigger on the older Reflector version. Have you compared the vintage version with the Sovtek or Electro Harmonix?  I believe that Jeremy indicated that the Sovtek are just the same.

I just pulled the trigger on a 1977 6N30P-DR . I already have an EH so I will post my thoughts on the difference in the project sunrise between the EH and the NOS DR

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I just pulled the trigger on a 1977 6N30P-DR . I already have an EH so I will post my thoughts on the difference in the project sunrise between the EH and the NOS DR


I'm looking forward to hearing your evaluation and comparison.

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