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Listened to LCD-2 and HE-6....sounded bad...bad setup or just me?

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Hey all. I recently had an opportunity to audition some headphones at a local hi-fi store.  I'm beginning to understand more what people mean now when they say a headphone is power hungry, but....I recently listened to both the LCD-2 and HE-6 and found that they sounded pretty awful when powered by a Ray Samuels "The Raptor." That's an expensive amp and what I thought to be a pretty beefy! They just sounded meh and sounded worse and worse the louder I tried to crank the volume. Big time bummer! On the other hand, the HE-5LE sounded absolutely delicious, even out of my modest Aune T1. So what gives? Is "The Raptor" a bad match for the LCD-2 and HE-6 or am I expecting too much? BY the way, the source was a Sony SACD player. Thanks all for your input!

 

P.S. I loved the He-5LE so much I bought the demo pair from the store on the spot. Awesome headphones!

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Originally Posted by joeq70 View Post

Hey all. I recently had an opportunity to audition some headphones at a local hi-fi store.  I'm beginning to understand more what people mean now when they say a headphone is power hungry, but....I recently listened to both the LCD-2 and HE-6 and found that they sounded pretty awful when powered by a Ray Samuels "The Raptor." That's an expensive amp and what I thought to be a pretty beefy! They just sounded meh and sounded worse and worse the louder I tried to crank the volume. Big time bummer! On the other hand, the HE-5LE sounded absolutely delicious, even out of my modest Aune T1. So what gives? Is "The Raptor" a bad match for the LCD-2 and HE-6 or am I expecting too much? BY the way, the source was a Sony SACD player. Thanks all for your input!

 

P.S. I loved the He-5LE so much I bought the demo pair from the store on the spot. Awesome headphones!

 

Heya,

 

You connected some low impedance, insensitive, high-current demanding headphones to an OTL tube amp that is better at generating high voltage for high impedance headphones. You probably heard a thin sound with clipping as your turned it up.

 

Not a good match of headphone to amp, because whoever put those together pretty much had no idea what they were doing.

 

Being expensive and the idea that it must also be super powerful are not something that go hand in hand. It's simple technology.

 

Very best,

post #3 of 12

The Raptor does not have anywhere near the power for the HE6's but I would of thought would do a much better job with the LCD's.

 

Maybe it was just a bad match, with the tubes used, for the LCD's.


Edited by nigeljames - 12/18/12 at 6:25am
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Thank you for the input guys. I figured as much.
post #5 of 12

The only problem is that the 5LE is just like the other two planar magnetics you talked about, in that it requires a monstrous amount of current, way more than LCD-2.  I say it's just a preference of sound signature.

post #6 of 12

you heard the HE-5LE off the raptor as well or no? if you did, you'd probably hear the same thing as with the LCD-2 and HE-5.

 

the raptor is an OTL amp, means its not suited for power hungry low impedance planars. it would pair better with 600 ohm beyers and 300 ohm senns.

post #7 of 12
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I should have specified. I did not hear the He-5le on the raptor. I heard it on my Aune T1 (tube dac plus an amp section). I did not like the Lcd-2 on the T1...thin sounding.
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To be fair to the raptor, the hd800 sounded great with it!
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To be fair to the raptor, the hd800 sounded great with it!

 

i was gonna mention that in my reply, but i decided not to since it wasn't related. the raptor is supposed to be one of the best amps for the he-800 in this price range.

post #10 of 12

If the LCD sounded thin off the T1, then the 5LE also has a lot of room to gain thickness to its sound.

post #11 of 12
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I'm going to try the Emotiva speaker amp mentioned on here and terminate the He-5le to banana plugs. Then I'll be rockin!
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I'm going to try the Emotiva speaker amp mentioned on here and terminate the He-5le to banana plugs. Then I'll be rockin!

 

You'll pretty much wonder why "excellent" headphone amps cost $1,000 when a $200 speaker amp does just as well. It's incredible.

 

Very best,

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