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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

(Some might not believe in cables, but seinheissers are great candidates for aftermarket cables..

so many options out there.. when i had one side by side with the stockcable, i stopped using the stock cable.

CLeaner, better extention...watever.....its another one of those headfi tweaks :PPPPP  )

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Which aftermarket cables are you talking about?

post #32 of 67
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Thank you, that's all very helpful.  I've got to admit, though, as I was reading through it, I was thinking, 'yes, definitely the HD600s.....yes, def the HD600s (cheaper option, too...)", then on the very last remark about soundstage and congestion, I was like, damn!  HE-400s then!

My guess is the congestion of the HD-600 is due to the slightly narrow soundstage combined with the somewhat slow decay. The slow decay along with the clean treble is why it sounds smooth, I think. But this smoothness can sound like congestion on complex pieces, so maybe it's not great with orchestral. I'm just trying to play detective here. I wish I had listened to some classical for your benefit =/

If I had to guess, the HE-400 is better with classical.

post #33 of 67
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Originally Posted by Wasatch View Post

If you could just step up into the HD650s. I believe the HD600s are discontinued, but should be easily found at some very good prices. Maybe even consider the HD700s.

The HD600's are not discontinued: http://www.sennheiserusa.com/over-ear-headphones-highest-quality-headphones_004465

 

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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post

Thank you, that's all very helpful.  I've got to admit, though, as I was reading through it, I was thinking, 'yes, definitely the HD600s.....yes, def the HD600s (cheaper option, too...)", then on the very last remark about soundstage and congestion, I was like, damn!  HE-400s then!

JMHO, but reading through this thread - if you don't want another pair of Grados (PS500's or RS-1's?) - then the HD600's will fit the bill.  I never recommend this with any other phone and refuse to get into thread arguments about it, but the one thing you can do to HD600's more than any other item is to get a Cardas cable.  A Cardas cable turns the HD600 into a bass-thumping Grado: very detailed highs, forward and strong midrange (female vocals are to die for!), and a deep and impactful bass.  It removes the "veil" completely.  The HD600/580 started all the re-cabling industry ... for a reason.  There is no other headphone that benefits so much from a re-cabling.  Sennheiser's own cables - including the new 650 cable - are positively dark in comparison.  I get frustrated when I see people recommending the 650 cable for 580/600's and HD25's, in fact.  Yes, it seems like a great deal - robust, fairly thick, very long, and inexpensive - but it's one of the darkest cables that you can use.

 

Anyway, I completely agree with your assessment of the HD598.  It's the same phone as the HD595, just gussied up pretty and all with the wooden accents.  The HD595 was never in the same league as the 580/600/650.  Its primary selling point was that it was highly efficient and didn't need an amp.  Adding +3 and some Woodie coloring hasn't changed that.  I'll even admit to lusting after its styling myself, but thankfully I've always thought better of it before pulling the trigger.wink.gif


Edited by tomb - 12/23/12 at 6:09pm
post #34 of 67

Also not too sure if this has been suggested, but perhaps the ATH-AD900?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-50-headphones-compared#user_ATHAD900

David Mahler seems to love them for orchestral pieces. I haven't heard them myself. But, he says the do lack a bit in bass impact, so if this is important to you, maybe look past the AD900.

I think it's difficult for a headphone to have great bass presence and impact without sounding somewhat congested. Just thinking out loud here, but the best bet for an open-back headphone with great bass and separation is probably a planar magnetic headphone, like the HE-400 lo and behold.

 

I do remember while listening to the HE-400 with some dub mixes that it was simply remarkable in its separation. The bass was powerful and impactful, but in no way intruding upon the mids and highs. I remember thinking that while listening to it at the time.

post #35 of 67

x2 on the cardas, beerchug.gif

post #36 of 67
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Originally Posted by tomb View Post

Anyway, I completely agree with your assessment of the HD598.  It's the same phone as the HD595, just gussied up pretty and all with the wooden accents. 

 

Disagree. I've owned both HD595 and 598 and they're different phones altogether, as I suggested early in this thread. I still have my 595 and still find it a clean and well balanced phone, whereas I sold the 598 within a week--just found it wiry and harsh. Definitely different phones.


Edited by pp312 - 12/24/12 at 7:28pm
post #37 of 67
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Having done loads more research since my last post, I've narrowed things down to the DT880/600 or the HifiMan HE-400.  Right up until last night, I've been dead set on the DT880, loving the idea of buying a customised Manufaktur pair, which would put them in the same kind of price range as the HE-400s.  But, having read all the wealth of info on these forums, I'm, gathering that the HE-400s do everything better than the DT880s and are a definite step up in sound quality from them.  Then again, some say that the DT880/600s are the end of the line cans for them!  I'm getting an opportunity to try a pair of DT770s from a friend, so that might give me an idea of the Beyer sound, but I won't get a chance to try either the DT880s or the HE-400s before I buy, so what should I do?!  Any help would be much appreciated.

 

I've also decided to keep my HD598s now, as there are some things about them that I just couldn't live without!  Bearing that in mind, I'd like this next choice of cans to be a great compliment to my Sennheiser's.  Hope that info helps inform anyone able and willing to give me any more advice.

 

Oh, I'm also about to try my first soldering/recabling job on both my out of action Grados (SR80s and SR125s), so I may still keep those afterwards, or just sell them towards this next purchase.  I haven't listened to my Grados in a few years, so can't remember exactly what they're like now (except remembering a massive lack low end, yet massive upper detail retreival on the 125s. tongue_smile.gif

post #38 of 67
The HE-400 compliment the senn better. The only thing that I find the beyers to do better than the HE-400 is treble
post #39 of 67
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

The HE-400 compliment the senn better. The only thing that I find the beyers to do better than the HE-400 is treble

Thanks for your input, davidsh.  Could you elaborate a bit more on that?  Having a realistic treble presentation is key for me, as I'm disappointed presently with the slightly boxy presentation of the mids and uppers of the HD598s.

post #40 of 67
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Originally Posted by tomb View Post

The HD600's are not discontinued: http://www.sennheiserusa.com/over-ear-headphones-highest-quality-headphones_004465

 

JMHO, but reading through this thread - if you don't want another pair of Grados (PS500's or RS-1's?) - then the HD600's will fit the bill.  I never recommend this with any other phone and refuse to get into thread arguments about it, but the one thing you can do to HD600's more than any other item is to get a Cardas cable.  A Cardas cable turns the HD600 into a bass-thumping Grado: very detailed highs, forward and strong midrange (female vocals are to die for!), and a deep and impactful bass.  It removes the "veil" completely.  The HD600/580 started all the re-cabling industry ... for a reason.  There is no other headphone that benefits so much from a re-cabling.  Sennheiser's own cables - including the new 650 cable - are positively dark in comparison.  I get frustrated when I see people recommending the 650 cable for 580/600's and HD25's, in fact.  Yes, it seems like a great deal - robust, fairly thick, very long, and inexpensive - but it's one of the darkest cables that you can use.

 

Anyway, I completely agree with your assessment of the HD598.  It's the same phone as the HD595, just gussied up pretty and all with the wooden accents.  The HD595 was never in the same league as the 580/600/650.  Its primary selling point was that it was highly efficient and didn't need an amp.  Adding +3 and some Woodie coloring hasn't changed that.  I'll even admit to lusting after its styling myself, but thankfully I've always thought better of it before pulling the trigger.wink.gif


If people can have the right to post this stuff, then I feel I have the right to call this nonsense out for what it is: total hogwash. No offense.

Turning a HD600 into a "bass-tumping Grado"... with a cable "upgrade"... Please.

post #41 of 67

The HE-400 is far more realistic sounding in general than dt880 to me. Mostly due to its sounds stage and good mids/ quality bass. The dt880 is a bit boring to me. Fairly analytical and flat sound and a bit bright, but without very noticeable spikes. To make it short, it would be my choice of 'phone for a studio. It is fairly neutral, but not natural sounding.

The soundstage of the dt880 is big, but not natural and it seems too thin. The 'phone is just not engaging enough.

 

The HE-400 has a very solid quality bass and an intimate and natural soundstage, though not very big. What struck me at first was the definition of the sound stage. It seems very defined and good for positioning.

The mids are great. The treble is very energetic, but can be a bit fatiqueing. It seems a bit spiky and the hi-hats, snare drums, and etc. sound a bit metallic and too uniform.

But there is one point where the HE-400 destroys the dt880, and it is the speed and seemingly unstrained delivery of sound. I never saw my dt880 as a struggling 'phone, but it is compared to the HE-400/500. If you want an even more refined sound with well balanced and smooth treble, you should go for the HE-500.

post #42 of 67
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If people can have the right to post this stuff, then I feel I have the right to call this nonsense out for what it is: total hogwash. No offense.

Turning a HD600 into a "bass-tumping Grado"... with a cable "upgrade"... Please.


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post #43 of 67
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If people can have the right to post this stuff, then I feel I have the right to call this nonsense out for what it is: total hogwash. No offense.

Turning a HD600 into a "bass-tumping Grado"... with a cable "upgrade"... Please.

I did consider looking into the benefits of a recable on the HD598s, but for various reasons, I'm skeptical.  I have definitely heard the benefits of good cables, not on headphones, but my hi-fi speakers most certainly benefitted from being wired with QED Silver Anniversary cable.  At the time I did that, there was talk of standard mains cable being great for speakers.  I tried it and it was definitely duller and more lifeless than the QED.  Regarding headphones though, I'm not too convinced it can make a massive difference as I can't hear a difference when plugging my HD598s into a 3 metre extension..

post #44 of 67
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The HE-400 is far more realistic sounding in general than dt880 to me. Mostly due to its sounds stage and good mids/ quality bass. The dt880 is a bit boring to me. Fairly analytical and flat sound and a bit bright, but without very noticeable spikes. To make it short, it would be my choice of 'phone for a studio. It is fairly neutral, but not natural sounding.

The soundstage of the dt880 is big, but not natural and it seems too thin. The 'phone is just not engaging enough.

 

The HE-400 has a very solid quality bass and an intimate and natural soundstage, though not very big. What struck me at first was the definition of the sound stage. It seems very defined and good for positioning.

The mids are great. The treble is very energetic, but can be a bit fatiqueing. It seems a bit spiky and the hi-hats, snare drums, and etc. sound a bit metallic and too uniform.

But there is one point where the HE-400 destroys the dt880, and it is the speed and seemingly unstrained delivery of sound. I never saw my dt880 as a struggling 'phone, but it is compared to the HE-400/500. If you want an even more refined sound with well balanced and smooth treble, you should go for the HE-500.

This is great, davidsh, thanks!  Going for the HE-500s is really stretching my budget though, and given that I'm overall pretty happy with the Sennheiser's, in that it's not a massive improvement I'm after, but just an opening up of the frequency ranges and dynamics plus more speed and attack.  It sounds like the HE-400s would do just that and more for me!  I'm very close to pulling the trigger now.  Hopefully, I'll be a happy camper!  It may even be that end of the road can for me!  (or maybe not....)!!

post #45 of 67
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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post

This is great, davidsh, thanks!  Going for the HE-500s is really stretching my budget though, and given that I'm overall pretty happy with the Sennheiser's, in that it's not a massive improvement I'm after, but just an opening up of the frequency ranges and dynamics plus more speed and attack.  It sounds like the HE-400s would do just that and more for me!  I'm very close to pulling the trigger now.  Hopefully, I'll be a happy camper!  It may even be that end of the road can for me!  (or maybe not....)!!

Well, consider trying it with your speaker amp then, might work out better than the e11...

Glad I could help. The only thing missing on the HE-400 is that well balanced treble, but it has its own charm, making it an aggresive 'phone which compliment your senn well biggrin.gif

But it is still kinda dark...

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