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post #16 of 44

I have a plan to re-arrange the forums, with music moving further up.

post #17 of 44

it actually makes sense to me... think about it. everyone knows what music he likes, everyone already has alot of music. if looking for more of it, or looking to discuss (did i spell that right?) it, one can look for an appropriate forum - and find one. 

the way i see it, this is an audiophile forum, what separates an audiophile form regular listeners is the gear they use, which is the focus of this forum. sure, the music is more important, but youv already got the music, see what im saying?

post #18 of 44
If you think you already know all the music you like, have a lot of it, and don't need to talk about it, you don't know ANYTHING about music!
post #19 of 44
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

If you think you already know all the music you like, have a lot of it, and don't need to talk about it, you don't know ANYTHING about music!


thats not what i said though is it... i said that head-fi (as i see it) is a forum about audio gear, which also has a forum for talk about music, and that its not a forum about music exclusively. this is why i think its logical to only have a small section dedicated to music, because the focus is on the gear - the gear is in no way more important than the music, its just the focus of discussion here at head-fi (the way i see it).

does that clarify what i meant?

post #20 of 44
I participate in two forums here... Music and sound science. Those are subjects that transcend just shopping for equipment. I spend the vast majority of my time learning about the science of sound and listening to music. I couldn't be bothered about shopping unless I need something in particular. I bet if they encoraged those subjects, they'd get more long term participation, instead of people just stumbling in from a google search when they want to find out what headphones to buy and then trotting off to Amazon to buy it.

Most of these forums aren't audiophile forums. They're shopping forums.
Edited by bigshot - 12/16/12 at 11:49am
post #21 of 44
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I participate in two forums here... Music and sound science. Those are subjects that transcend just shopping for equipment. I spend the vast majority of my time learning about the science of sound and listening to music. I couldn't be bothered about shopping unless I need something in particular. I bet if they encoraged those subjects, they'd get more long term participation, instead of people just stumbling in from a google search when they want to find out what headphones to buy and then trotting off to Amazon to buy it.
Most of these forums aren't audiophile forums. They're shopping forums.


granted. but as i see it - thats the point of this forum - to talk shopping.

i agree with you that the music comes 1st, and i lurk around the sound science forum all the time. non the less, the majority of this forum is about discussing equipment. long term participation isnt your, or my concern... 

 

you probably hang out at the jazz and classical threads, i hang out at the edm threads, and were both interested in getting the best sound we can. im a novice with almost nothing, just starting up, you have 40 years and tens of thousands of dollars in your speaker rig. i still need to shop, and ask around for advice on equipment, because i cant afford the very best, and i have no option to try it out before purchasing it. all you need is music and science - cause you already have everything you need. (when i say "you", its from what i remember in the sound science forum. i may have gotten the specific details wrong about you personally, but even so, the point im making can be understood regardless) 

post #22 of 44

Shopping advice online is usually pretty poor. People just recommend what they happen to own. If you want to be a smart shopper, it's best to understand how stuff works. If you do that, you don't need tens of thousands of dollars and decades of trial and error to get a great system. You can get great sound immediately on just about any budget.

post #23 of 44
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Shopping advice online is usually pretty poor. People just recommend what they happen to own. If you want to be a smart shopper, it's best to understand how stuff works. If you do that, you don't need tens of thousands of dollars and decades of trial and error to get a great system. You can get great sound immediately on just about any budget.


thats why i just got ethan winers book for my kindle. it'll take me a while to read and understand it though. thats why i lurk around the sound science forum, etc. and also, technical detail isnt always accurate. sometimes things can sound good even though technically, they should be a bad fit. if i could personally try all the equipment before i buy it i would. but i cant. and peoples opinions is just another tool to understand how things work. granted, some of them may just recommend what they own - others, own many things, and will recommend what is best suited to what i ask. also, if im looking at a certain item, its precisely those who already own it that i want to talk to. i read everything. i also take everything with a grain of salt, and can usually tell the difference between nonsense and a good point. just cause alot of people say irrelevant things, doesnt mean i accept all the fallacies as fact. 

 

i take care to always state that i am a novice if i ever offer my advice, but im aware not everyone does. im also working a full time job and partaking in other activities that take up my time, and understanding how a dac works may take me some time to research, especially as im researching in a language which isnt my own and the information isnt all that accessible. your quick to dismiss, but i think if someone is naive enough to fall for hype, fotm or bad advice - he deserves what he gets, and if someone is savvy enough to look at things with a critical eye, and differentiate between whats relevant and whats not - that someone can get alot of information out of this forum, even the "shopping" parts of it.

post #24 of 44
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

There should be rock, classical and jazz subforums too.

 

No.

 

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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post

But surely if there sub forums of a subforum then people would be pretty much isolated to their genre and not discover anything new?


Cheers

 

For many, yes.

 

Jejunely categorizing art into subsets is utterly insulting.  Give an all-encompassing listeners' corner sufficient exposure and let the conversation flow freely.

post #25 of 44
There are two distinct categories of music. The good stuff and utter crap.
post #26 of 44
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There are two distinct categories of music. The good stuff and utter crap.

 

Gray area: guilty pleasures. evil_smiley.gif

post #27 of 44
I'll get to that when I run out of the good stuff. But that ain't happening anytime soon.
post #28 of 44
Thread Starter 

A forum dedicated to making purchase decision is great, and might even be what brings people here, but I see a lot of obsession in it, people endlessly "perfecting synergies" and going through bouts of discontent, and those sorts of equipment threads vastly out-number the threads about how sampling and bit rates work or what a new artist/album sounds like, which will help someone enjoy their new purchase more than doubling down on something like cables. To a certain degree, I think the equipment obsession is psychologically harmful, as samsquach said you "start listening to your equipment not the music". I try get my technical jollies off with the science aspect, and work on understanding the equipment I do have (which sounds wonderful to me) rather than buying more. I recently got MOG (at 320kbps sounds very close to my 1400kbps AIFFs) so the musical world is my oyster. I can listen to everything I couldn't afford to buy before. I've literally been given the keys to a candy store, and that was as big a thrill as compiling this beautiful headphone system I get to listen to it on. But if I focus on the equipment aspect for too long, no matter how great the equipment really is, the oyster clams up. The gear gets inside my mind and twists it up until I start thinking about how poor I am because true musical perfection is so far outside my reach and David Mahler has a $15k DAC and my amp is from China and I'd have to sell my car to really do this right and... well, you get the idea. From a psychological standpoint, not a great way to kick off a brand new album. If music is a drug, we sure do get hung up on the paraphernalia.     

post #29 of 44

^There is is lot of truth there.

 

I recently got MOG as well and have been enjoying it immensely. I have just been listening to music instead of trying to figure out what should I buy next or do to my setup to make it sound better. I am far too excited about the great new music I am getting to hear on a daily basis.My headphones have never sounded better. 

post #30 of 44

I agree with Strangelove too. When I finally got a house where I could set up my speaker system properly, I was like a kid in a candy store. I discovered it wasn't electronics that was holding me back, it was *space*. I spent about four or five months setting it up just right and equalizing. Now, my focus is on my music library. I'm ripping and listening and tagging and listening and organizing and listening. Hog heaven. That's what it's REALLY about.

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