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post #1141 of 1353
What? The RCA are outputs for the modi, you can't stick an input into that
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post

Absolutely. Go from 30 pin out to RCA connector and into the Modi.
post #1142 of 1353

Oops, my bad.  Thought there was no Modi and going straight into the Magni as I used to.  Sorry for the misinformation. 
 

post #1143 of 1353
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Originally Posted by yeahman68 View Post

Can the magni/modi setup be used with an iPod? I apologize if this question has already been answered. Probably goin to use it to run the mad dogs. Anyone have this setup already?

EDIT EDIT EDIT

 

Yep, a 30 pins to RCA connector is certainly good with the Magni.

But of course that does not bypass the internal DAC of the Ipod.


To do this, I think you need a special dac for ipodI do not think it is possible to do this with the Modi.

(For example with this cable : http://www.amazon.com/Charging-Cable-Compatible-Apple-iPhone/dp/B0015RB39O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374221578&sr=8-1&keywords=ipod+usb     but I'm not sure that it will not work ????).

 

Perhaps you need a thing like iStreamer, and it can be connected to Magni.

 

What do you think guys ?

 

Edit : Otherwise you can ask Schiit and keep us informed.


Edited by Rudiger - 7/19/13 at 1:16am
post #1144 of 1353

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Edited by Rudiger - 7/19/13 at 1:07am
post #1145 of 1353
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Originally Posted by Rudiger View Post

EDIT EDIT EDIT

 

Yep, a 30 pins to RCA connector is certainly good with the Magni.

But of course that does not bypass the internal DAC of the Ipod.


To do this, I think you need a special dac for ipodI do not think it is possible to do this with the Modi.

(For example with this cable : http://www.amazon.com/Charging-Cable-Compatible-Apple-iPhone/dp/B0015RB39O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374221578&sr=8-1&keywords=ipod+usb     but I'm not sure that it will not work ????).

 

Perhaps you need a thing like iStreamer, and it can be connected to Magni.

 

What do you think guys ?

 

Edit : Otherwise you can ask Schiit and keep us informed.


I have been discussing a comparison I recently ran, which includes some of this info in the "Bravo Audio - funny looking little tube amps" thread. Here is one thing I tried:

 

iPod -> 3.5mm to RCA cable -> Magni -> Beyerdynamic DT770/250

 

This is kind of hilarious on a couple of levels, but it really doesn't work properly. I only ran this for a day at work, and it was a horrid mistake, lol. The music just didn't sound right. Even though the Magni is certainly capable of driving the Beyers, using an iPod as the raw source into a Magni Just Doesn't Work Right. I am not entirely sure why.

 

I would imagine that if you used a 30 pin to RCA cable, you'd get the same effect as the headphone jack of your iPod. Neither of those options bypass the DAC in the iPod. I'm not sure what the technical aspects of doing that is, or whether a license from Apple is needed to do that, but you can't just plug a cord into the iPod and expect anything other than the headphone outputs, and the sound quality of the stock Apple DAC. To do this properly you need a DAC that bypasses the one in the iPod (a short list of such devices copied below).

 

Anyhow, speaking from experience, plumbing your iPod into the Magni in this fashion will suck.

 

I have been playing with a Pure i-20 iPod DAC, driving the Bravo V2 into the Sony cans. I added a review of the Pure i-20 to the database last night. That actually sounds pretty good, if you can tolerate the screechiness of the pure i-20. Visit pages 137-138 in the thread above, I probably shouldn't cross post all that stuff here. That's my work setup, which I explain in the other thread.

 

On my to-do list is an experiment using the Pure i-20 to drive the Magni. In this experiment I will not need the Modi DAC at all. I was busy tube rolling the Bravo V2 (go ahead, laugh at me), so I didn't get to that comparison last week. Here are the three iPod DAC's that I considered purchasing:

 

Pure i-20, $92 on Amazon

http://www.pure.com/product/i-20-vl-61429/

 

Nuforce Icon Ido, $150

https://www.nuforce.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=25&Itemid=188/

 

HRT iStreamer, $225 on Amazon

http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/istreamer/?product=istreamer

 

These would replace the Modi, and could be used to drive the Magni amp. It is an option for people like me who can't hook up a DAC to a computer at work (which means the Modi is out of the picture).

 

I will say this: at this point I think the Modi is the superior DAC of the two. The Pure i-20 is horribly bright in comparison. I just can't use a Modi at work, otherwise I'd have two of them.


Edited by UmustBKidn - 7/19/13 at 2:19am
post #1146 of 1353

About

iPod -> 3.5mm to RCA cable -> Magni

 

On second thought, not so surprising that this sounds bad.
In the same vein, yesterday I tried to connect my Cowon Z2 to my Nad amp (see my signature). With a simple cord jack using the "MP" input... the sound was very bad.
(nb I like less and less the sound of my cowon...
not to mention the BBE+ effects that I no longer use.... I feel that it is really overrated by some audiophiles)
 


Edited by Rudiger - 7/19/13 at 3:01am
post #1147 of 1353
Quote:
Originally Posted by UmustBKidn View Post


I have been discussing a comparison I recently ran, which includes some of this info in the "Bravo Audio - funny looking little tube amps" thread. Here is one thing I tried:

iPod -> 3.5mm to RCA cable -> Magni -> Beyerdynamic DT770/250

This is kind of hilarious on a couple of levels, but it really doesn't work properly. I only ran this for a day at work, and it was a horrid mistake, lol. The music just didn't sound right. Even though the Magni is certainly capable of driving the Beyers, using an iPod as the raw source into a Magni Just Doesn't Work Right. I am not entirely sure why.

I would imagine that if you used a 30 pin to RCA cable, you'd get the same effect as the headphone jack of your iPod. Neither of those options bypass the DAC in the iPod. I'm not sure what the technical aspects of doing that is, or whether a license from Apple is needed to do that, but you can't just plug a cord into the iPod and expect anything other than the headphone outputs, and the sound quality of the stock Apple DAC. To do this properly you need a DAC that bypasses the one in the iPod (a short list of such devices copied below).

Anyhow, speaking from experience, plumbing your iPod into the Magni in this fashion will suck.

I have been playing with a Pure i-20 iPod DAC, driving the Bravo V2 into the Sony cans. I added a review of the Pure i-20 to the database last night. That actually sounds pretty good, if you can tolerate the screechiness of the pure i-20. Visit pages 137-138 in the thread above, I probably shouldn't cross post all that stuff here. That's my work setup, which I explain in the other thread.

On my to-do list is an experiment using the Pure i-20 to drive the Magni. In this experiment I will not need the Modi DAC at all. I was busy tube rolling the Bravo V2 (go ahead, laugh at me), so I didn't get to that comparison last week. Here are the three iPod DAC's that I considered purchasing:

Pure i-20, $92 on Amazon
http://www.pure.com/product/i-20-vl-61429/

Nuforce Icon Ido, $150
https://www.nuforce.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=25&Itemid=188/

HRT iStreamer, $225 on Amazon
http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/istreamer/?product=istreamer

These would replace the Modi, and could be used to drive the Magni amp. It is an option for people like me who can't hook up a DAC to a computer at work (which means the Modi is out of the picture).

I will say this: at this point I think the Modi is the superior DAC of the two. The Pure i-20 is horribly bright in comparison. I just can't use a Modi at work, otherwise I'd have two of them.

Actually using the 30 pin instead of the headphone jack makes all the difference in the world.
post #1148 of 1353

It is probable that it is better, but maybe it does not sound good anyway with the Magni ...
 

post #1149 of 1353
Going from the headphone output into the magni will sound bad because you are double amping. The headphone out on the iPod is an already amped signal, and amping it again through the magni will make it sound gross. This would be the case with any amp you connect to the iPod (or any other amped device) through headphone out. Sending audio out through the 30 pin connector bypasses the iPod's internal amp, and if you connect through the magni in that way it will sound better.
post #1150 of 1353
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post

Actually using the 30 pin instead of the headphone jack makes all the difference in the world.

 

Well now, I wonder where in the signal path inside an iPod, the output connection from a 30 pin connector would yield? If that can be plugged into a Magni, then it is already an audio signal. That would imply that the signal has already gone through the internal DAC inside the iPod. I guess your implication is that it's an unamplified audio signal? I wonder why that would be the case...

 

I wonder how one might find out...

 

Now I want to buy a 30 pin connector. See what you did? biggrin.gif

post #1151 of 1353
If anyone is interested I use an iPod dock, and plug the line in through it. Same thing but is cheaper. I bought my dock on eBay for a dollar and cant find a difference between it and the apple brand one. It's basically the same thing as an RCA - 30 pin. Looks clean too.
post #1152 of 1353
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Originally Posted by lukEM22 View Post

If anyone is interested I use an iPod dock, and plug the line in through it. Same thing but is cheaper. I bought my dock on eBay for a dollar and cant find a difference between it and the apple brand one. It's basically the same thing as an RCA - 30 pin. Looks clean too.



Got a link please?
post #1153 of 1353

I assumed bought it on ebay for a dollar was enough info

 

I bought it so long ago that it won't show up in my purchase history. This is where I bought a second one for my sister and it arrived much faster, within the week.

 

http://www.cellphoneshop.net/4dock.html?CAWELAID=1058753366&catargetid=530001600000003411&cagpspn=pla
 

post #1154 of 1353
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Originally Posted by lukEM22 View Post

I assumed bought it on ebay for a dollar was enough info

I bought it so long ago that it won't show up in my purchase history. This is where I bought a second one for my sister and it arrived much faster, within the week.

http://www.cellphoneshop.net/4dock.html?CAWELAID=1058753366&catargetid=530001600000003411&cagpspn=pla

 

Perfect. Thanks much. biggrin.gif
post #1155 of 1353

Oh yeah!!!

 

Just ordered a Modi/Magni stack for myself!!!  This is my first setup for home head-fi, and I am super excited after reading up on both pieces and all of the great feedback I have seen on here.

 

I am hoping to get them on Friday and can set them up and check them out before I have to leave Monday for another business trip.

 

I think this is a great setup for starting out in this game, as I can get some great quality audio, without breaking my wallet beyond repair.

 

Thanks Jason!  and keep up the great work!

 

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