Originally Posted by chewy4
Current and next gen consoles hardware is terrible, but it goes to show how far optimization can push old hardware. There are some console games that look really good.
And there are some console ports that can make a 680 struggle this gen, so this APU optimization kinda makes me nervous about how the next gen is going to effect PC gaming. Still wouldn't go AMD because of it though, and definitely wouldn't get an APU...
Indeed, optimization can make wonders but, again, the hardware can only go so far. Also, not only can the porting process be problematic, but it seems ports are deliberately limited in terms of visual fidelity on the PC.
Theoretically, the next console gen going x86-64 could mean better ports, as well as GPU sections of those consoles no longer being fully hybrid "GPGPU" devices.
GPU wise, AMD is a valid alternative to Nvidia as long as users are aware of the difference in features available. Driver wise, Nvidia has been a better option for years now.
CPU wise, AMD has nothing on Intel when it comes to performance or features provided. Phenom II was the last AMD architecture with true separate cores, while Bulldozer onwards has a half core implementation with very poor IPC, and performs terrible on games. The current AMD flagship CPU has fps differences from a non hyperthreaded midrange Intel CPU up to 50fps, which isn't exactly a marginal difference. I've seen a couple server-class AMD CPUs that could hold their own when facing consumer-level midrange Intel CPUs, but the price hike of a server platform negates any advantage over the consumer Intel platform. Still, AMD's APUs make for nice HTPC systems, especially if they're used for playback alone, as Intel's Quicksync provides an immense performance advantage in transcoding when compared to both AMD and Nvidia, considering the core specs on each platform.
EDIT: Also, for anyone who has a Bulldozer-class platform on newer, I strongly recommend upgrading to Windows 8 (in the event they're running Windows 7), as the new OS has redesigned scheduler than gives a free performance boost of up to (real world) 8%. It's still not nearly enough to outperform same class Intel platforms, but it's better than stock performance. There are also Windows 7 hotfixes available upon personal request, but they merely patch up the OS and don't provide the same improvements.
Edited by Roller - 12/13/12 at 5:52am