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post #61 of 103
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Couple more pics i think are neat. They show how much room the caps actually take. Outside of the output resistors, input/output connectors and POT, all the extra room on this board is reserved for caps.

 

Pretty sure If I build a board designed just for panasonic FM caps, and revise the op-amp power supply section, I could probably shrink the board down another 40% or so.....

Very very nice and compact.

 

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post #62 of 103

Looking at the spec you posted, I think it would be possible to power this from a USB port. One could use the space reserved for the battery for a USB DAC, and tap on the USB power from the DAC... All it needs is a DC-DC converter to boost the 5 V to 15 V, then a 7812 for a clean 12 V...

 

Now I have to convince myself that I don't really need such a thing. But I do. Gah!

post #63 of 103
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Looking at the spec you posted, I think it would be possible to power this from a USB port. One could use the space reserved for the battery for a USB DAC, and tap on the USB power from the DAC... All it needs is a DC-DC converter to boost the 5 V to 15 V, then a 7812 for a clean 12 V...

 

Now I have to convince myself that I don't really need such a thing. But I do. Gah!


that's not a bad idea, I have looked into a boost converter quite a bit, I quit looking into it because the efficiency losses involved. However, a USB powered unit would be really cool.

 

Most USB outlets are rated to 500ma correct? so there is 2.5w to play with. My 2 amps right now are  running nominal at 12 volts and 150ma, that's 1.8w.

 

So, even given the voltage drop through a LM317 and DC/DC converter efficiency loss, May actually be possible.

 

Third amp is a rounding success, got It together (mostly) and listening to it right now L3000.gif.

 

DC offset on this one is ridiculously low,  ~000.2 mV. I like the opa827's right from the get go. 

post #64 of 103
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As I mentioned in the previous post, I have finished assembling my third set of boards.

 

I also made a few mods to the first amp I built, the one with the $$$ opa 627/37 combo. Unfortunately even with higher voltage, and a ~16khtz filter on the op amp power rails (installed 1uf caps in front of the 10 ohm resistors) it still suffers from oscillation. mad.gif

 

I will continue to work with it, although de-soldering  the op amp board is taking its toll on the main board. Hopefully I can come up with a sollutoin.

 

As for the OPA-827 amp I just finished, It is not cased up yet, I am using it to play with different power rail caps, but i am listening to it.

 

It's still very early to start describing the sound, but I do like it and I can see why people liken it to the 627/37 amps. I havent A-B'ed it with the 1641 amp yet, but my initial impression is it is at least as detailed, maybe more, but seems smoother, possibly more "natural". The sound stage and immaging stood out for me as well, lots of "air" around and between the instraments.

So I can see why it is a popular op-amp.

 

I also did a quick low voltage test with this amp, as the 827's are rated at +/-4volts (8 volts total), and a 3 cell li-po pack will go down to ~7.5v, I powered it by 2 nominally charged cells that added up to 7.5volts. It preformed very well at this voltage, it did start to clip at very high (uncomfortable for me) volume levels, but I was very pleased with the sound at well below the rated min voltage, YMMV. 

 

Oh, I also built this amp with only a 5x gain, I like it much better. I think 5X-8X gain is probably a good range to stay in, unless one has very hard to drive headphones. The 10x gain is a bit overkill.

post #65 of 103
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Originally Posted by H22 View Post

Pretty sure If I build a board designed just for panasonic FM caps, and revise the op-amp power supply section, I could probably shrink the board down another 40% or so.....

Now that you've said it, don't let us downbiggrin.gif

 

Assuming that you were able to get it down another 40% in size, how difficult would it be to fit the amp in a slimmer case like this one?

Here are the inner dimensions:

 

14mm(0.55")(H)x63mm(2.48")(W)x110mm(4.33")(L)

 

Since your two tallest components seem to be the daughter board with the smd caps, the electrolytics, and the input/output jacks, 

1) put everything that was on the daughter board on the main board, and just make the board longer? (This case is about 30mm longer I think, so you're probably fine here)

2) Configure the electrolytics so they are on there side (again, you have more length, so hopefully you'd be fine)

3) SImilar to the caps, could you put the jacks on its side?

 

The case is only 1.25mm thinner inside, but it's almost 3mm thinner in total. It's not much, but I really like the clean look without the ridges. It's also slightly wider -- maybe that's what gives it the sleek appearance.

 

 

 

Obviously, this is asking WAAAAY too much from you, so feel free to completely ignore my selfish requests. You've already considered crossfeed circuits, and whether it gets implemented or not, that alone is wonderful.  Also, if I want to, I can just take your current boards and fit them in the case myslef, by wiring the daughter boards manually, and connecting the empty capacitor slots with wire, so don't sweat it.

 

 

 

In case you're crazy enough to consider doing this, here's the link to the enclosure above (There the same case... the first one just has better pictures, and the second with the interior dimensions)

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Project-Box-Enclosure-Case-Electronic-1160-/330370763826?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ceba1cc32

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Project-Box-Enclosure-Case-Electronic-DIY1160-/290379952864?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item439bfe72e0

post #66 of 103
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14mm(0.55")(H)x63mm(2.48")(W)x110mm(4.33")(L)

 

Since your two tallest components seem to be the daughter board with the smd caps, the electrolytics, and the input/output jacks, 

1) put everything that was on the daughter board on the main board, and just make the board longer? (This case is about 30mm longer I think, so you're probably fine here)

2) Configure the electrolytics so they are on there side (again, you have more length, so hopefully you'd be fine)

3) SImilar to the caps, could you put the jacks on its side?

 

The case is only 1.25mm thinner inside, but it's almost 3mm thinner in total. It's not much, but I really like the clean look without the ridges. It's also slightly wider -- maybe that's what gives it the sleek appearance.

 

 

 

Obviously, this is asking WAAAAY too much from you, so feel free to completely ignore my selfish requests. You've already considered crossfeed circuits, and whether it gets implemented or not, that alone is wonderful.  Also, if I want to, I can just take your current boards and fit them in the case myslef, by wiring the daughter boards manually, and connecting the empty capacitor slots with wire, so don't sweat it.

Looks like that case would be a good fit for this design. The 14mm is the big issue, the tallest components on the current board are the power caps, followed by the input/output connectors, and POTs. the daughter boards on the new revision wouldn't be an issue, they are shorter, and the input/output connectors could be changed out for shorter-wider units. Power caps could also be changed to suit. 14mm leaves 12mm to work with(pcb is 1.6, and need some room under it) . The issue would be batteries, Would have to come up with cells that were 6-7mm thick, and ~30mm wide and ~50mm long. This would allow for 4 cells (a good thing) but not sure about the amp-hour rating.

 

I am not going to change the current design to fit that case, but I will order a case to look at for future builds. That said, I think the current board could be put into that case without much work, might have to trim the input/output connectors a tad, they are 12.3mm.

post #67 of 103
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Now that you've said it, don't let us downbiggrin.gif

 

Assuming that you were able to get it down another 40% in size, how difficult would it be to fit the amp in a slimmer case like this one?

Missed this part of your post, don't worry, a "supersmall, teensy, tiny, itty-bitty, macro,micro, nano" (had enough yet?) is already brewing in the back of my feeble brain, I'm thinking another daughter board for the op-amp power might better utilize space. I start running out of room for POT's and phone connectors though.....

 

however i want to get the current designs finished up before i tackle another revision.

 

And, as i said above, I think the upcoming boards will fit that case without much trouble at all.

 

joe

post #68 of 103

No worries, absolutely take as much time as necessary.  I look forward to seeing what you come up with! smile.gif

post #69 of 103

This is seriously awesome! I hope this gets to a point where you will consider selling boards!

post #70 of 103
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3rd amp is working now, this is the first one I assembled with the OPA627/37 op-amp combo.

 

I removed the op-amp board, and replaced said op-amps with 3 AD8610 units.

 

Amp is very well behaved and is quite stable.

 

Right now I have it set with .5mA op-amp bias, and 15mA buffer Bias. Amp current draw at idle is ~90ma, this would be a good combo for someone wanting longer run times on a battery pack. 

 

I haven't gotten it cased up yet, I blew a battery PCB up when I slipped with the iron angry_face.gif.

 

Putting the battery pack together can be nerve racking to say the least. Working with live cells that can explode if shorted or punctured is not always fun.

 

So, will order another board or two and try again.

post #71 of 103

keep at it!

 

Those batteries aren't SO scary, I work with them all the time for RC airplanes. Only had one explode once and it was a seriously dumb move on my part. Keep an empty metal tool box handy for piece of mind or get one of those fire proof charging bags.

post #72 of 103
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Hear are a couple of bitmap images of the boards i am designing, hopefully they will load..

This board is 57X100mm, will work with the hammond case. It will allow for a larger battery. Still working on this one, It will also have a dedicated power switch and charge connector on the rear.

 

This is the standard board, it is 99% done:

Both of these boards will be on one PCB. Both have provisions for through hole and SMD caps.

post #73 of 103
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Originally Posted by forsakenrider View Post

keep at it!

 

Those batteries aren't SO scary, I work with them all the time for RC airplanes. Only had one explode once and it was a seriously dumb move on my part. Keep an empty metal tool box handy for piece of mind or get one of those fire proof charging bags.

seriously, good tip.

post #74 of 103

Any DC charger 12-13v @ 0.5-1.5A

+ 3 x 3.7v Li-ion Batteries (11.1v)

+ Correct charge protection PCB

 

= Good to go?

 

Or do you need a specialised charger as well?

post #75 of 103
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Any DC charger 12-13v @ 0.5-1.5A

+ 3 x 3.7v Li-ion Batteries (11.1v)

+ Correct charge protection PCB

 

= Good to go?

 

Or do you need a specialized charger as well?

Good question.

A fully charged li-po  cell can vary from 4.1 to 4.3v, so figure about 4.2 nominal full charge voltage. So for 3 cells a 12v charger wont quite cut it.

A 15-18 volt would probably be better, but keep it under 20v as the battery management PCB warns against anything over 20 volts if memory serves me. 

 

I purchased a Mean Well 15v 400ma thinking it would charge the battery in ~ 3 hours, actual charge time is quite a bit more than that so i may need to get a higher capacity charger. Care must be taken though, each cell has a recommended and a max charge rate, it would be unwise to try and charge a cell pack to fast.

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