HE500 or LCD2 or both? (please share your impressions) Mini Review and POLL (please vote) - Page 14

Warm is like less dark.  So the LCD-2.2 is past the warm stage.  First  you get warm then you go dark.  The HE-500s, LCD-3s, HD650s just stay in the warm area.. where the LCD-2.2 go straight to dark.

This only my opinion and not to be taken as fact..

Warm, dark. So confusing.

Based on what I've been reading LCD-2 should have been some sort of Dark Knight, to my pleasant surprise I've found them having better treble than HD650 and D5000.

http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary

Based on that definition I would call them warm, but perhaps not "dark", but again it's all relative.
 

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT 

Warm, dark. So confusing.

Based on what I've been reading LCD-2 should have been some sort of Dark Knight, to my pleasant surprise I've found them having better treble than HD650 and D5000.

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/a/describing-sound-a-glossary

 

 

Based on that definition I would call them warm, but perhaps not "dark", but again it's all relative.
 

rev1 was dark, so dark it sounded muffled somewhat. Rev 2 had more present treble, that is a smidget below neutral, so technically it is 'dark' but tonally it is just fairly neutral yet not bright or sibilant.

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT 

Dark - A tonal balance that tilts downwards with increasing frequency. Opposite of bright. Weak high frequencies.

I would say this describes the LCD-2.2.  However, I would not say that the high frequencies are weak.    Or maybe weak when compared to the HE-500s and not weak when compared to the HD650s. 

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Originally Posted by preproman 

Warm is like less dark.  So the LCD-2.2 is past the warm stage.  First  you get warm then you go dark.  The HE-500s, LCD-3s, HD650s just stay in the warm area.. where the LCD-2.2 go straight to dark.

 

This only my opinion and not to be taken as fact..

Dark vs Bright

Warm vs Cold

Dffernt things in physics, different things in audio vocabulary. 

Dark and Warm, Dark and Cold, Warm and Brigh, Cold and Bright - they are all possible combinations in my vocabulary and experience. 

Warmness has to to with the presence of mids and mid-bass, bright/dark has more to do with the degree of presence of treble. 

There are of course other words available too. Lush, silky, smooth, hard etc. but I aint gonna make a dctionary here :P

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Originally Posted by ardilla 

 

 

 

Dark vs Bright

 

Warm vs Cold

 

Dffernt things in physics, different things in audio vocabulary. 

 

Dark and Warm, Dark and Cold, Warm and Brigh, Cold and Bright - they are all possible combinations in my vocabulary and experience. 

 

Warmness has to to with the presence of mids and mid-bass, bright/dark has more to do with the degree of presence of treble. 

 

There are of course other words available too. Lush, silky, smooth, hard etc. but I aint gonna make a dctionary here :P

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dark ?! warm ?!! that's very confusing but it's actually make sense guys, read adrilla's post. i mean finally i realized the difference between the sound of my Denon D5k and my LCD-2. If we're talking about warmness here then the denons are really warm but in the darkness area I've never heard anything like the audeze LCD-2. But this is could be a tow-edged positive for them, when i had the T1 i was shifting between them and the DT990 from time to time. With the LCD-2 i couldn't even put the DT990 on because they sound VEEEERY COLD and thin that i gave them up ... god i love how my journey ended up with the audeze LCD-2, it's very hard to remember how i was enjoying the sound of the DT990, such a dark days. Now were the HE-500 fits, they're just like the LCD-2 but a touch less resolving with more treble, yeah that's how they sound, also without the Audeze dark tone. Somewhat between the sound of the T1 and LCD-2 but closer to the Audeze if you understand what i mean.

sorry if i missed up the grammer but i'm trying to be helpful as i could and also payback for the pleasure that get from my LCD-2, i feel like i owe them a whole review.

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 

Nice post MEDO.

 

LCD2 treble is slightly livelier than the HE500, 

Now Lug.....

I really have no idea wha dark, warm, all that stuff means. I know I gave my  he-500s to my daughter after listening to the Lcd2.2s. No regrets!

Yes they can peak at times.  That's the truth .

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 

 Ok.. ok..

I think I mean that the LCD2 treb has more 'edgeness' as opposed to 'smoothness'. Even though the HE500 is clearly the brighter. It's those gawd dam peaks a tell ya!

 

I think..

Check out the measurements:

LCD2r2

vs

HE500

You can see that the LCD2 treble region is actually a bit more neutral and has less huge peaks and valleys unlike HE500, however at the same time it doesn't decay as cleanly as HE500's. So both trebles are not perfect (HE500s treble is more coloured, while LCD2r2 treble is a bit rougher, so to speak of course).

Comparing these to something like say HE6 or HD800 treble, you could clearly see how those are both very neutral (no bumps/valleys) and clean (no ringing/unclean decay), unlike these.

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 

Thanks Jerg,

Yeah its hard to put the sound in your head to the math in front of you. But those dips in the HE500 makes sense if I think of it as quite dark with holes of light shining through. Thats what the hifimans are like for me, they maintain a darkish tone but have razer like bites sometimes. That first dip would probably cause this as the mids slope off before quite a peak in the mid treb. 

I dunno, HE500's treble colouration is quite different from the rest of Hifiman cans. I mean for showing purposes, look at HE400, HE5, and HE6 trebles:

They are all quite different, the common thing is that they are all more than the neutral point.