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Poll Results: If you could only keep one...?

 
  • 43% (106)
    HE500
  • 56% (135)
    LCD2 (either rev)
241 Total Votes  
post #181 of 490
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Originally Posted by ardilla View Post

LCD-2 is great with the V200. Also - the LCD-2 isn't as "warm" as you might think :)

 

 

 

Campared to?

post #182 of 490
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

 

What did you prefer about the HE-400 exactly? How did the bass compare on both?

 

I'm curious cause I've listened to the rev 1 LCD-2, and I liked the bass on it, but it was much too dark for me, so I ended up going for an HE-5LE, but I'm not terribly fond of the bass extension on it.

 

Judging my your amp, one could possibly say you are missing the necessary power? :D

post #183 of 490
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Originally Posted by conquerator2 View Post

 

Judging my your amp, one could possibly say you are missing the necessary power? :D

I seem to be getting this a lot, but no... I just prefer to err on the side of too-much bass rather than too-little, because it makes judging bass levels easier when mixing. Sure, my current setup probably doesn't drive them to their 'full-potential' (even though I am powering the O2 with a 20v/500mA power supply, not batteries), but I can clearly hear down to 30hz with them, and can easily notice the really sharp drop-off after that which is clearly apparent in their measurements. Not to mention that I have heard these phones through better amps, and honestly, the difference isn't that drastic despite how much head-fi'ers like to make it out to be. The type of bass I'm talking about here would require a serious change in sound signature. I can only assume that maybe a lot of people that are satisfied with the bass just don't listen to that much bass-heavy music? There's nothing wrong with that obviously, but when I can barely hear the sub-bass rumble and ambiance in 'A Thousand Years' by Sting, that's a problem for me...


Edited by oblique63 - 1/8/13 at 4:18pm
post #184 of 490

rev.1, HD650, T50RP and lots of lower grade phones.. 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Campared to?

post #185 of 490
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

I seem to be getting this a lot, but no... I just prefer to err on the side of too-much bass rather than too-little, because it makes judging bass levels easier when mixing. Sure, my current setup probably doesn't drive them to their 'full-potential' (even though I am powering the O2 with a 20v/500mA power supply, not batteries), but I can clearly hear down to 30hz with them, and can easily notice the really sharp drop-off after that which is clearly apparent in their measurements. Not to mention that I have heard these phones through better amps, and honestly, the difference isn't that drastic despite how much head-fi'ers like to make it out to be. The type of bass I'm talking about here would require a serious change in sound signature. I can only assume that maybe a lot of people that are satisfied with the bass just don't listen to that much bass-heavy music? There's nothing wrong with that obviously, but when I can barely hear the sub-bass rumble and ambiance in 'A Thousand Years' by Sting, that's a problem for me...


While listening to the track on my T50RP's, I can barely make out the rumble you describe.  Its almost inaudible.  That same rumble sounds more apparent on my K501's, but I can't 'feel' it.  Sounds rolled off.  Now on the HE-500's, it now sounds apparent and has the necessary weight.  Its a clean sounding... thuuuuuuuump.  It sounds 'right' to my ears.  I'm sure a FLAC version of this track would be even better.

 

Cheers.

post #186 of 490
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Originally Posted by ardilla View Post

LCD-2 is great with the V200. Also - the LCD-2 isn't as "warm" as you might think :)

 


Second that, is it the latest revision of v2 or something else but they have quite energetic treble, anything more would make highs unbearably bright, but I haven't heard HE500 to tell how they compare, this is just in reference to my other phones.

post #187 of 490
Considering the LCD-2, coupe of questions needing your advice:

1) do most of you run them balanced and does that make a noticeable difference?
2) related to above, recommendation for balanced amp of around $1K, preferably in a small(er) form factor like the Burson Soloist?

Thanks.
post #188 of 490
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Originally Posted by oblique63 View Post

I seem to be getting this a lot, but no... I just prefer to err on the side of too-much bass rather than too-little, because it makes judging bass levels easier when mixing. Sure, my current setup probably doesn't drive them to their 'full-potential' (even though I am powering the O2 with a 20v/500mA power supply, not batteries), but I can clearly hear down to 30hz with them, and can easily notice the really sharp drop-off after that which is clearly apparent in their measurements. Not to mention that I have heard these phones through better amps, and honestly, the difference isn't that drastic despite how much head-fi'ers like to make it out to be. The type of bass I'm talking about here would require a serious change in sound signature. I can only assume that maybe a lot of people that are satisfied with the bass just don't listen to that much bass-heavy music? There's nothing wrong with that obviously, but when I can barely hear the sub-bass rumble and ambiance in 'A Thousand Years' by Sting, that's a problem for me...

 

Well... the bass obviously needs a lot of power on both the HE-5LE and HE-6.... I know myself as I can tell my HE-6 is underpowered. I will have to verify when my speaker amp is backm but I expect a substantial increase in body as right now I too find the bass slightly lacking...

Also: (taken from the "battle of the flagship headphones" thread

 

"BASS: The HE-6's "(or HE-5LE...)" bass presentation is among the best I've ever heard. When fed a significant amount of current, the headphone produces a wonderfully extended and punchy bass response."

 

But each his own :)

post #189 of 490
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Originally Posted by breadvan View Post

Considering the LCD-2, coupe of questions needing your advice:
1) do most of you run them balanced and does that make a noticeable difference?
2) related to above, recommendation for balanced amp of around $1K, preferably in a small(er) form factor like the Burson Soloist?
Thanks.

 

I'd say the quality of the amp itself matters a lot more than whether or not it's balanced.  Actually, if I were you, I would just get that Burson Soloist.  I have the Conductor (same amp section) and it's great.

post #190 of 490
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ardilla View Post

the LCD-2 isn't as "warm" as you might think :)

 

 

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


they have quite energetic treble, anything more would make highs unbearably bright,

 

Lets not get carried away guys... regular_smile%20.gif

 

Theres no getting away from the fact that they are a warm sounding headphone. There may be warmer but none that I've heard in the near price range. The 650's are more laidback but not as dark or warm.  And "energetic" treble to me says coloured or emphasized and it is most certainly not. At least not on my 5 amps. The treble is detailed and natural but nothing is pronounced other than the little peak that is there in the lower highs that carries a little hardness to the tone. The K701's, Grado's or HD800 have energetic treble... Ofcourse IMO.

post #191 of 490

^LCD-2 is dark-ish and warm-ish for a high end phone, alright. But there are warmer sounding stuff out there, and component-matching matters quite a deal. As always :)

post #192 of 490

I'm asking cause I don't.  What headphones would you say are darker than the LCD-2s?

post #193 of 490

"Dark" and "warm" are different concepts. Any muted cheap headphone is darker than the LCD-2. Of all the high end headphones I have heard, Lcd-3 is the "darkest". The HD650 is a warmer sounding can. I'd even say the HE-500 is warmer (but brighter) in some settings. Fostex T50RP is definetly warmer and just as dark. 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I'm asking cause I don't.  What headphones would you say are darker than the LCD-2s?

post #194 of 490

OK,  Well I have to kinda disagree..  IMO the LCD-2 is definitely darker than the HE-500s and the LCD-3s..  I think the LCD-2 is the king of dark headphones.   For me anyway..

post #195 of 490

I said the HE-500 is WARMER, not darker. I actually wrote " warmer (but brighter)"  I also said: WARM is not DARK ! angry_face.gif

 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

OK,  Well I have to kinda disagree..  IMO the LCD-2 is definitely darker than the HE-500s and the LCD-3s..  I think the LCD-2 is the king of dark headphones.   For me anyway..

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