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post #136 of 178
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The er4p is the same earphone with lower impedance. This makes them easier to power without an amp, but also attenuates the treble. So they sound more muffled compared the the 4s, however this makes them a little bassier as well. But even the 4p is better than most iem in the treble.

I don't know if they're a league above the ba200. Especially value-wise, but I do think they're the best I've ever heard. I think earphones only have small differences in quality as they get more expensive past
$100. I find its more about frequency response, which I would argue is quality, but some would argue is preference. If you don't want neutral I don't think you'll find the other traits differer greatly. Most things like soundstage and depth may differ but are greatly affected by frequency response. So while there are differences the biggest change will be the sound signature of the frequencies.

Hmm ok good to know :) 

I don't really agree on the 100$ price point, at least not for full sized headphones. I think realistically it's closer to 400$. That's the price of the HE-400 and technically it is clearly a couple of leagues above all other headphones I own/owned. 

 

You said you wanted to make custom sleeves? It's pretty pricey right?

post #137 of 178
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Hmm ok good to know :) 

I don't really agree on the 100$ price point, at least not for full sized headphones. I think realistically it's closer to 400$. That's the price of the HE-400 and technically it is clearly a couple of leagues above all other headphones I own/owned. 

 

You said you wanted to make custom sleeves? It's pretty pricey right?

 

Nope, I agree.  I was only referring to IEMs.  I think over ears the 300-400 is where the diminshing returns kick in.  For around $100 you can find the ue700 and $150 the tdk ba200 or pfe 112.  I find the pfe112 more accurate but  most people will find them bass light.  The tdk isn't bass light, but some people will find them treble light.  So they are options.  But beyond those the best iems at $400-500 aren't really that much better in a lot of way.  Some improve on certain aspects, but none jump in quality like you would get going from a $20 iem to a $100 iem.

post #138 of 178
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Nope, I agree.  I was only referring to IEMs.  I think over ears the 300-400 is where the diminshing returns kick in.  For around $100 you can find the ue700 and $150 the tdk ba200 or pfe 112.  I find the pfe112 more accurate but  most people will find them bass light.  The tdk isn't bass light, but some people will find them treble light.  So they are options.  But beyond those the best iems at $400-500 aren't really that much better in a lot of way.  Some improve on certain aspects, but none jump in quality like you would get going from a $20 iem to a $100 iem.

Maybe that's because they all sortof use the same techniques? I'm really curious about those hybrid iems.

And I'd like a bit less bass, and a bit more treble actually, bu the pfe112 shouldn't isolate as well. And isolation is really important for me since I'll use them for band practice, and practicing drums etc. Have you ever considered going for any custom in ears? I've heard great stuff about the frogbeats c4, and they are about 500 usd I think.

post #139 of 178
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 I've heard great stuff about the frogbeats c4, and they are about 500 usd I think.

 

They're ~850 USD

post #140 of 178

I saw that huge compilation list of in ear phones (thanks to whoever compiled that). 

 

It looks like the vsonic gr06's are a great value. Are there any features that set them apart from apple's new earpods?

 

I like the new earpods quite a bit. I wouldn't mind a bit more noise isolation in some cases, but with comparable sound quality. Do the vsonic's fit the bill?

post #141 of 178
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They're ~850 USD

I must have rounded it down to 500 euros in my head for some reason :p and then figured, hey why not us dollars!

post #142 of 178
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I saw that huge compilation list of in ear phones (thanks to whoever compiled that). 

 

It looks like the vsonic gr06's are a great value. Are there any features that set them apart from apple's new earpods?

 

I like the new earpods quite a bit. I wouldn't mind a bit more noise isolation in some cases, but with comparable sound quality. Do the vsonic's fit the bill?

I think most in ear monitors will sound quite a bit better than the new earpods. Especially gr06s, the gr07s are even better. 

And don't underestimate the power of noise isolation! Balanced armatures like the TDK BA200 generally isolate better than dynamics, because they don't need a vent hole (or something). 

post #143 of 178
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I think most in ear monitors will sound quite a bit better than the new earpods. Especially gr06s, the gr07s are even better. 

And don't underestimate the power of noise isolation! Balanced armatures like the TDK BA200 generally isolate better than dynamics, because they don't need a vent hole (or something). 

 

I thought this would be the case too until I tried the klipsch S4i. SQ was horrid out of box. I tried breaking them in for about 30 hours at a relatively low volume. They sounded exactly the same afterwards. 

 

The vsonics require some 200 hours break in time, no? If anyone has thoughts on before/after SQ, that would be a big help.

 

I'll look for info on how much isolation the vsonics provide. Perhaps around 20 dBA or more?

post #144 of 178
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I thought this would be the case too until I tried the klipsch S4i. SQ was horrid out of box. I tried breaking them in for about 30 hours at a relatively low volume. They sounded exactly the same afterwards. 

 

The vsonics require some 200 hours break in time, no? If anyone has thoughts on before/after SQ, that would be a big help.

 

I'll look for info on how much isolation the vsonics provide. Perhaps around 20 dBA or more?

Let me rephrase, all good IEMs will sound better than the apple buds.

 

I don't know about break in, should help with dynamic drivers, but the effects of burn in have never been proven. I'd say it's often more a case of brain burn in, the brain getting adjusted to the sound signature.

What kind of signature are you exactly looking for? What do you like about the apple buds?

 

 

The BA200 isolates as well as the Shure SE425 (or just the SE series): http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSEseries.pdf,

it isolates about 30 db at 1KHZ which is A LOT.

 

Can't hear a darn thing with these things in, they even isolate better then my custom made ear sleeves.

post #145 of 178
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Let me rephrase, all good IEMs will sound better than the apple buds.

 

I don't know about break in, should help with dynamic drivers, but the effects of burn in have never been proven. I'd say it's often more a case of brain burn in, the brain getting adjusted to the sound signature.

What kind of signature are you exactly looking for? What do you like about the apple buds?

 

 

The BA200 isolates as well as the Shure SE425 (or just the SE series): http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSEseries.pdf,

it isolates about 30 db at 1KHZ which is A LOT.

 

Can't hear a darn thing with these things in, they even isolate better then my custom made ear sleeves.

 

I think the earpods are phenomenal for the price.  They almost can't be beat.  However, I think sound isolating phones improve the overall quality if all else is equal...

post #146 of 178
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

 

I think the earpods are phenomenal for the price.  They almost can't be beat.  However, I think sound isolating phones improve the overall quality if all else is equal...

Can't be beaten for the price maybe. But you don't think the earpods can't be beaten in sound quality right?

I haven't heard them, so can't comment on their sound quality from personal experiences. 

 

Edit: just noticed you are the thread starter, so that puts that remark on context. You surely know IEMs with better SQ exist ;)


Edited by Marleybob217 - 3/18/13 at 9:22am
post #147 of 178
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Can't be beaten for the price maybe. But you don't think the earpods can't be beaten in sound quality right?

I haven't heard them, so can't comment on their sound quality from personal experiences. 

 

Edit: just noticed you are the thread starter, so that puts that remark on context. You surely know IEMs with better SQ exist ;)

 

I suggest you listen to them, to put some context to your statement. The Earpods are mindblowingly good for something that was thrown in with a cell phone. I can't say for certain that the GR06 is that much better than the earpods. Slap a little foam on them to improve isolation a bit, and you're golden.

post #148 of 178

Which one do you think has better overall bass Pfe112 or Hf5? I am torn between Pfe and Hf5.

post #149 of 178
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

I suggest you listen to them, to put some context to your statement. The Earpods are mindblowingly good for something that was thrown in with a cell phone. I can't say for certain that the GR06 is that much better than the earpods. Slap a little foam on them to improve isolation a bit, and you're golden.

I'm not saying that they aren't good. The early earbuds were pretty good for something that you got with your idevices. So these earpods must be even better. 

If I get a chance to listen to them I certainly will. But I won't buy them, I have enough redundant equipment as it is :(

post #150 of 178
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Can't be beaten for the price maybe. But you don't think the earpods can't be beaten in sound quality right?

I haven't heard them, so can't comment on their sound quality from personal experiences. 

 

Edit: just noticed you are the thread starter, so that puts that remark on context. You surely know IEMs with better SQ exist ;)

The earpods are quite similar to the portapros in SQ. Bass is very tight, highs a little sibilant. Neither has superb accuracy but both are great to listen to. Both the earpods are a small step below the Koss KSC75's, an unreal value. 

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