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So, I wouldn't spend too much time with Excel or CSV with that data, if I were you wink.gif I'd sooner start actually tuning the phones for my ears and not some dummy ear's microphones wink.gif

 

Which is why we use a proprietary compensation curve, so our measurement technique replicates the sound as it is heard by real people. We spent many months blind and sighted testing our curve and comparing it to flat-corrected speakers. The aim was to ensure perfect translation of headphone mixes to speaker systems. Hence basically we needed to achieve very little tonal change when switching between corrected headphones and corrected speakers.

 

We sometimes use sine waves to check for technical problems like resonances, but for drawing response curves it wasn't too useful. The problem is that with sine you'd be chasing dips and peaks which might change with headphone placement. We try to combat that by doing many measurements with slightly changed headphone positioning and then averaging the results.

 

Also listening to sine will tire your ears very rapidly. I'd like to be able to enjoy my correction after I've done it, fatigue keeps me from doing that with sine.

post #587 of 589
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Hey, all props to you and your team smily_headphones1.gif Professional EQ needs all the loving it can get from any angle biggrin.gif It's just that if I were him and I were that concerned about cancelling every peak and dip in the response I wouldn't be doing it by putting in all that effort inverting your FR curve in CSV, including marking the frequency and level of every little peak and dip (and seemingly disseminating a profile you meant to produce for *him* in return for *his* payment to you) that as you and I both know do not exactly reflect the peaks and dips when he actually puts the headphones on his ear...
Edited by Joe Bloggs - 8/31/15 at 11:04am
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It's just that if I were him and I were that concerned about cancelling every peak and dip in the response I wouldn't be doing it by putting in all that effort inverting your FR curve in CSV, including marking the frequency and level of every little peak and dip (and seemingly disseminating a profile you meant to produce for *him* in return for *his* payment to you)

 

My previous posts made it clear that I created the CSV file because I already own Voxengo CurveEQ. Unlike most other EQ plugins voxengo curveEQ supports the importation of CSV EQ files, so creating a CSV file is the easiest way for me to compare the Sonarworks Plugin (Trial) to the Voxengo Curve EQ plugin, which I already own. I'm not sure what the last part of your comment; "and seemingly disseminating a profile you meant to produce for *him* in return for *his* payment to you" is getting at at all. I purchased measurement data only from Sonarworks. It is my choice as a customer whether I also then purchase the plugin, or make use of any other resources I own. In my case, I almost always mix on Studio monitors (not headphones). These headphones are only for very very occasional use whilst travelling, so, for me, the voxengo CurveEQ solution I have created based on the sonarworks measurements is definitely adequate for my needs and purchasing the Sonarworks plugin too would not be a sensible investment for just ~10-20 days of mixing on the headphones each year. That said, everyone's needs will vary massively. The Sonarworks plugin is excellent and has many more options compared to an EQ plugin, such as the excellent headphone and speaker emulations in 'Simulate' mode. Therefore for anyone who: (a) mixes a lot on headphones, or (b) doesn't have room corrected, calibrated studio monitors, I would definitely recommend purchasing the Sonarworks plugin.

post #589 of 589
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Sorry, I wasn't aware that you could purchase measurement data from Sonarworks separately from their plugin.

Actually my point was that, quite apart from whatever you decide to do with the data you've received, I don't know whether Sonarworks are ok with you sharing your data with us in such a detailed manner, which allows other people to replicate the EQ curve Sonarworks designed for your earphones (although admittedly with non-stock earpads). Perhaps you could have e.g. redacted the dB axis...
Edited by Joe Bloggs - Today at 12:01 am
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