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Also here is a quick impression from ClieOS about Fiio X3 versus Colorfly C3.
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Twinter, what surprises me is reviewer saying amp has no benefit which is contrary to what my ears are hearing, C3 benefits greatly from good amp which helps lift sonics in pretty good way. BH turns C3 in mature playback device with greater dynamic and richer detailing. This is so obvious that i wonder why reviewer could not so obvious or was his amp in test just not good match here?
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

Twinter, what surprises me is reviewer saying amp has no benefit which is contrary to what my ears are hearing, C3 benefits greatly from good amp which helps lift sonics in pretty good way. BH turns C3 in mature playback device with greater dynamic and richer detailing. This is so obvious that i wonder why reviewer could not so obvious or was his amp in test just not good match here?

 

I'm quoting what ClieOS said in that thread:

 

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

Actually I do own a C3 now.

 

Functionality wise, I think X3 easily wins out. But purely on SQ, the two are close. X3 has much more power in stock configuration and will drive most headphones very well. In contrast, C3 is really clean and transparent but the overall dynamic suffers from the lacking of power. My X3 has been mod'ed so as far as clarity goes, it can easily match / surpass C3, and still provide better power. With the stock AD8397, I think those who prefer clarity over dynamic might prefer C3. I know a lot of C3 user like the combo with C&C BH - nothing wrong in sound except BH is underpowered a bit so it really isn't my top choice (given power is what lacking on C3 in the first place). I would have preferred fred_fred_2004 3 Channels amp running on 18V. Even cmoyBB on 18V with AD8620 sounds tighter to me. With a good amp, C3 will be technically a better match to X3.

 

 

I don't think that ClieOS said anywhere that the C3 doesn't benefit from amping. In fact, his last sentence confirms that he does think that it benefits from a good amp.

 

Btw, my interpretation of the above is that the C3 + BH is as good if not better than the stock X3 (which is what 99% of users will have), and that the C3 with an even better amp (such as the jdslabs C5 which I asked him about later in that thread) would be better than the stock X3.

 

Sidenote: I wonder if ClieOS had the BH on "high gain"? My BH seems to provide plenty of power and dynamics to the C3.

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

Twinter, what surprises me is reviewer saying amp has no benefit which is contrary to what my ears are hearing, C3 benefits greatly from good amp which helps lift sonics in pretty good way. BH turns C3 in mature playback device with greater dynamic and richer detailing. This is so obvious that i wonder why reviewer could not so obvious or was his amp in test just not good match here?

It depends on the iems or headphones you're using. For instance my meelec a161p has zero benefit from the BH or the E11 and actually sounds better straight out of the C3. Something like the vsonic VSD1 also is completely fine out of the c3 and doesn't need an amp. I've tested the C3 amped and unamped with a bunch of iems and usually if I decide to use an amp it's because I can't reach the volume level I want and not so much about major improvement to the sound.

The reviewer mentions the Hornet, so I guess that's his amp, which should be quite superior to the BH anyway. It's just a matter of synergy. Just like you love your particular iems with the C3+BH and I don't find most of mine to pair well with this combo. ClieOS also said the BH wouldn't be his choice for the C3, so everyone has its reasons and preferences and thus there's nothing surprising in the reviewer's opinion.

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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

Twinter, what surprises me is reviewer saying amp has no benefit which is contrary to what my ears are hearing, C3 benefits greatly from good amp which helps lift sonics in pretty good way. BH turns C3 in mature playback device with greater dynamic and richer detailing. This is so obvious that i wonder why reviewer could not so obvious or was his amp in test just not good match here?

Like Kova4a said, it's probably related to the earphone/headphone they used in the test. For what I read so far on the C3 if paired with normal iem and headphone (normal on the drivability sense) an amplifier would not be beneficial. Unless you really need more punch in the low frequencies.
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

I'm quoting what ClieOS said in that thread:


I don't think that ClieOS said anywhere that the C3 doesn't benefit from amping. In fact, his last sentence confirms that he does think that it benefits from a good amp.

Btw, my interpretation of the above is that the C3 + BH is as good if not better than the stock X3 (which is what 99% of users will have), and that the C3 with an even better amp (such as the jdslabs C5 which I asked him about later in that thread) would be better than the stock X3.

Sidenote: I wonder if ClieOS had the BH on "high gain"? My BH seems to provide plenty of power and dynamics to the C3.

I believed that Gintaras was referring to the review from the German website that I posted and not the impression from CliesOS.

I'm patiently awaiting my C3. Got my iBasso Toucan fully charged for a test.
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Sidenote: I wonder if ClieOS had the BH on "high gain"? My BH seems to provide plenty of power and dynamics to the C3.

 

I do think C3 benefits rather positively from an amp. The first reason is that, (1) any amp will fix the bass roll-off on C3. (2) more power. Of course, the reason for more power is because power brings tightness and impact to not-so-demanding headphone as well as the needed power to those that do need power. But for the reason of actually keeping the setup as portable as it can be, I'll rather not use any portable amp if I don't find the improvement to be great enough. The issue with BH is, it is just not bring enough improvement for me. It fails my expectation of delivery tightness and power in the first place, and thus why it will never be quite the option I'll go for. I did try high gain - and yes, it is a lot better than low gain, but I can still detect the jump in power when an USB power supply is connected, so it is still slightly underpowered (though much less than low gain mode). Since I do own many portable amps, I have the luxury of not having to settle for less. But that's not to say BH is not a really good sounding amp among sub$100. It is just handicapped by the power section. If C&C would put in a small voltage pump and runs it at 5V instead of 3.7V, it would have been a great amp. Personally, I'll prefer a full powered amp running for 18hrs over an underpowered amp running over 80hrs, since adequate power to me is the most basic of requirement from an amp.

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Thanks Twinster! And thanks ClieOS - you gave me lots to chew on :)

 

I'm absolutely loving my C3/BH combo, and it truly will satisfy my requirements for some time to come. But for "way in the future planning" purposes... you mentioned that the C3 and jdslabs C5 are quite good together (which I assume is code for "awesome combination" lol). I would therefore consider getting the C5, but I guess before someone spends $300 on the C3/C5 combo, that they would probably want to wait and see how something like the X5 is priced and how it sounds. No question here really, just rambling smile.gif

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Thanks Twinster! And thanks ClieOS - you gave me lots to chew on :)

 

I'm absolutely loving my C3/BH combo, and it truly will satisfy my requirements for some time to come. But for "way in the future planning" purposes... you mentioned that the C3 and jdslabs C5 are quite good together (which I assume is code for "awesome combination" lol). I would therefore consider getting the C5, but I guess before someone spends $300 on the C3/C5 combo, that they would probably want to wait and see how something like the X5 is priced and how it sounds. No question here really, just rambling smile.gif

Don't forget about the law of diminishing returns. wink_face.gif

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Don't forget about the law of diminishing returns. wink_face.gif

 

And diminishing funds!

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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

Thanks Twinster! And thanks ClieOS - you gave me lots to chew on :)

 

I'm absolutely loving my C3/BH combo, and it truly will satisfy my requirements for some time to come. But for "way in the future planning" purposes... you mentioned that the C3 and jdslabs C5 are quite good together (which I assume is code for "awesome combination" lol). I would therefore consider getting the C5, but I guess before someone spends $300 on the C3/C5 combo, that they would probably want to wait and see how something like the X5 is priced and how it sounds. No question here really, just rambling smile.gif

 

i did not hear C5 but i doubt this will outshine BH, there is something special about BH and C3 synergy, i tried C3 with famous T1 and i can say BH benefits C3 more.... while T1 outshines BH with RWAK. call it synergy. i find C3 and BH synergy just CRAZY and i would not care about upgrading amp here. if you want go mighty amp root you also will be better served going up X3 or even AK100 root... but this is not what you want perhaps. so stop your worries and keep with simple necessities: 


Edited by Gintaras - 7/20/13 at 2:26am
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

 

I do think C3 benefits rather positively from an amp. The first reason is that, (1) any amp will fix the bass roll-off on C3. (2) more power. Of course, the reason for more power is because power brings tightness and impact to not-so-demanding headphone as well as the needed power to those that do need power. But for the reason of actually keeping the setup as portable as it can be, I'll rather not use any portable amp if I don't find the improvement to be great enough. The issue with BH is, it is just not bring enough improvement for me. It fails my expectation of delivery tightness and power in the first place, and thus why it will never be quite the option I'll go for. I did try high gain - and yes, it is a lot better than low gain, but I can still detect the jump in power when an USB power supply is connected, so it is still slightly underpowered (though much less than low gain mode). Since I do own many portable amps, I have the luxury of not having to settle for less. But that's not to say BH is not a really good sounding amp among sub$100. It is just handicapped by the power section. If C&C would put in a small voltage pump and runs it at 5V instead of 3.7V, it would have been a great amp. Personally, I'll prefer a full powered amp running for 18hrs over an underpowered amp running over 80hrs, since adequate power to me is the most basic of requirement from an amp.

 

ClieOS, pls point me to amp which would tighten C3 bass? i am afraid there is none because C3 itself is tuned so and amp just cannot bring you what DAP does not have. i tried C3 with a few different amps and i found that what you mean tighter bass to me sounds like distortion, sorry mate.

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i did not hear C5 but i doubt this will outshine BH, there is something special about BH and C3 synergy, i tried C3 with famous T1 and i can say BH benefits C3 more....

 

Two things I find particularly well on both C3 and BH are overall clarity and soundstage. Together they will excel on those areas. But to me, I uses amp because I need power (mainly because the headphone I use will be demanding if I am going to use an amp). While they might excel together, I need them to be better on other area.

 

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ClieOS, pls point me to amp which would tighten C3 bass? i am afraid there is none because C3 itself is tuned so and amp just cannot bring you what DAP does not have. i tried C3 with a few different amps and i found that what you mean tighter bass to me sounds like distortion, sorry mate.


If those are distortion, they would have shown up in my RMAA measurement. Find an O2 to try if you have the chance. If you still find it sounds like distortion, I'll say it is likely all in your head as O2 has some of the best measured performance on any portable amps. Alternatively, a JDS Labs C5 also has some of the best measurement around.


Edited by ClieOS - 7/20/13 at 4:02am
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Clie, i see, so you talk about power needed to drive headphones, that's fine because i use IEMs ... but with IEMs i find BH providing best synergy here.

yep, many talk about C5 (i do not have this so cannot say much) but i have T1 which is very fine amp and is getting great responses putting it closer to 500$ amps in sense of sound and purification. did you have a chance to try this?

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Hey guys quick update, this thing supports SA-CD so if you have any in your collection the C3 can play them!

Listening to Beat It on SA-CD sounds amazing!
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Originally Posted by Gintaras View Post

Clie, i see, so you talk about power needed to drive headphones, that's fine because i use IEMs ... but with IEMs i find BH providing best synergy here.

yep, many talk about C5 (i do not have this so cannot say much) but i have T1 which is very fine amp and is getting great responses putting it closer to 500$ amps in sense of sound and purification. did you have a chance to try this?

 

I assume you are referring to Tralucent T1?

 

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Hey guys quick update, this thing supports SA-CD so if you have any in your collection the C3 can play them!

Listening to Beat It on SA-CD sounds amazing!

 

If you rip SACD normally without special tool, it will just be normal PCM wave file (same as normal CD quality). True SACD rip will be in DSD format, which I don't think C3 can handle.

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