Sony MH1C better than CIEMs or just another ATH-M50? - Page 10

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Originally Posted by shotgunshane 

The pair I own has around 18db's of bass boost over neutral. I can burn them in until the next election and that's not going to change.

Wow, 18 dB! That's way too much.

Sadly, I don't have the instruments to objectively measure these, but as I commented in my previous post, my pair has less mid-bass than my Radius DDM and Brookstone CDD, which by no means have a 18 dB bass boost.

Its a very good deal if your searching for something good under $30 or even $50, so why not recomend it?

Well, so there's 2 possible conclusions: either the MH1's sound has A LOT of variance between different pairs (just like Brainwavz IEMs), or they are extremely burn-in dependent. I'm leaning towards the first one though, as mine sounded excellent right out of the bag.

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Originally Posted by Fernito 

Well, so there's 2 possible conclusions: either the MH1's sound has A LOT of variance between different pairs (just like Brainwavz IEMs), or they are extremely burn-in dependent. I'm leaning towards the first one though, as mine sounded excellent right out of the bag.

Its not exactly burn-in dependent, you cant notice a complete different signature, its just refines the signature to somewhat smooth, but still its a lot better than the original signature..

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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca 

A few hours of burn in cured the boomy bass down to tolerable levels. I am starting to like these very much. Also...they are very forgiving and I don't feel fatigued even with the most sibilant songs.

Now, if a little more burn in can tame the bass a just little bit more, I would say they won't be my FOTM, they can actually be a mainstay in my line-up.

My only gripe is the driver flex.... now, how do we cure that? Foamies?

Mine have been burning in for about 30 hrs now, and the muddy boomy quality has disappeared. But, the bass is still heavily emphasized, to the point of being almost fatiguing, and there is still considerable treble roll-off. I mean, there is a real lack of treble energy. It's a shame, because they really do have some spectacular sounding mids.

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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca 

A few hours of burn in cured the boomy bass down to tolerable levels. I am starting to like these. They are very forgiving and I don't feel fatigued even with the most sibilant songs.
Now, if a little more burn in can tame the bass a just little bit more, and make them faster...(wishful thinking) I would say they won't be my FOTM, they can actually be a mainstay in my line-up.
My only gripe is the driver flex.... now, how do we cure that? Foamies?

The only way to make the bass appear quicker is to do the tape vent mod and to set your EQ to bass reducer on your ipod. The sound sig will be a lot cleaner and more balanced when you do that. I actually like this setting more for indoor quiet home listening, but when you are on the go, set the EQ back to flat and the bass becomes almost bass head levels. haha SO GUUD!!!

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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca 

Am I crazy if I say, I like them better than the X10i? They both have consumer friendly sound signatures but I think the mids on the MH1Cs are more relaxing to listen to. i am not saying one is better than the other in terms or performance...I just like the sony better

HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by scootsit 

Mine have been burning in for about 30 hrs now, and the muddy boomy quality has disappeared. But, the bass is still heavily emphasized, to the point of being almost fatiguing, and there is still considerable treble roll-off. I mean, there is a real lack of treble energy. It's a shame, because they really do have some spectacular sounding mids.

Keep at it, I was growing hopeless after like 3-1/2 days of continuous burn-in on max volume as well. Then on day 4 these begin to finally shine, sigh. So much work to get the sound so many lucky people are getting on open bag, so jelly. I hate you'll!!!

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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca 

Am I crazy if I say, I like them better than the X10i? They both have consumer friendly sound signatures but I think the mids on the MH1Cs are more relaxing to listen to. i am not saying one is better than the other in terms or performance...I just like the sony better

i like them better than my X10 too...pure sound wise.

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Originally Posted by Fernito 

 

Wow, 18 dB! That's way too much.

 

Sadly, I don't have the instruments to objectively measure these, but as I commented in my previous post, my pair has less mid-bass than my Radius DDM and Brookstone CDD, which by no means have a 18 dB bass boost.

  The DDMs are also very tip dependent but they don't have allot of bass bleed, they just have more prominent mids. The MH1 sound is V shaped, the DDM is flatter (which does result in more midbass & lower mids, but not a midbass hump). I don't use an equalizer when i listen to the DDMs, i can't listen to the MH1C without equalization. I reduce the 30Hz band by 10db, and continue subtracting (2-3 db less for each band) till i reach 250Hz (2db cut). I also use a similar setting that starts subtracting 6 instead of 10 db for recordings that lack bass presence. 6db is the minimum i have to cut from the lower region in order to avoid fatigue from the bass.

  It's not just the bass quantity, it's also the quality, it's by far the least technically capable part of the FR for the MH1C and it shouldn't be so prominent. Why would the engineers want to serve you slow, bloated and distorted bass when they could be serving you those sweet mids and highs instead. Equalized, the MH1C easily sound like a ~100$ in ear pair, and showcases just how good their microdrivers truly are.

Rin reports on his review that the MH1 and MH1C have differences in tuning which result in a ~6db difference in the low frequencies. If that's the case, i have to say i am disappointed with the management's decision to go for a consumer oriented sound signature when said signature doesn't flatter the capabilities of their product. A friend of mine owns an Xperia Ray and has already ordered a MH1. So in two weeks i will be able to check for myself if that's really the case.

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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel 

 

  The DDMs are also very tip dependent but they don't have allot of bass bleed, they just have more prominent mids. The MH1 sound is V shaped, the DDM is flatter (which does result in more midbass & lower mids, but not a midbass hump). I don't use an equalizer when i listen to the DDMs, i can't listen to the MH1C without equalization. I reduce the 30Hz band by 10db, and continue subtracting (2-3 db less for each band) till i reach 250Hz (2db cut). I also use a similar setting that starts subtracting 6 instead of 10 db for recordings that lack bass presence. 6db is the minimum i have to cut from the lower region in order to avoid fatigue from the bass.

 

  It's not just the bass quantity, it's also the quality, it's by far the least technically capable part of the FR for the MH1C and it shouldn't be so prominent. Why would the engineers want to serve you slow, bloated and distorted bass when they could be serving you those sweet mids and highs instead. Equalized, the MH1C easily sound like a ~100$ in ear pair, and showcases just how good their microdrivers truly are.

 

Rin reports on his review that the MH1 and MH1C have differences in tuning which result in a ~6db difference in the low frequencies. If that's the case, i have to say i am disappointed with the management's decision to go for a consumer oriented sound signature when said signature doesn't flatter the capabilities of their product. A friend of mine owns an Xperia Ray and has already ordered a MH1. So in two weeks i will be able to check for myself if that's really the case.

But what I meant is that my pair of MH1 has even less mid-bass punch than my DDMs

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Originally Posted by Fernito 

But what I meant is that my pair of MH1 has even less mid-bass punch than my DDMs

Lol, yes mate, i know :). I just wanted to point out that the main problem lies in the 0-120Hz region. Mid bass range is 100-300Hz which isn't that boosted compared to the lower frequencies. And while 18db does seem to be a little excessive to me, the MH1Cs do seem to have  a little over 10db bass over natural (mainly in the subbass area). Source does play a role though, underpowered daps do tend to roll off the bass, making the problem less pronounced.