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post #856 of 868
Diffuse field is the ISO standard, just cause some don't use the standard doesn't mean there isn't one
post #857 of 868
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Diffuse field is the ISO standard, just cause some don't use the standard doesn't mean there isn't one

 

Yeah I worded that poorly, when I said there is "no standard" I was more talking about there being no agreed standard being used between manafacturers and many hobbyist reviewers.

 

I'm certain there are quite a few different scientifically certified standards that can be used.

post #858 of 868
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Originally Posted by DutchDoctor View Post

 

I've actually been wondering whether maybe there has been a great deal of inconsistency in sound quality with the Frogbeats products (namely the C4).

Some very respected reviewers (one is even a mastering engineer of many years) absolutely loved it, and thought of it as clean and transparent with impressive extension in both the high and low end.

 

Other reviews say almost the complete opposite. Either everyone is having a SEVERELY different subjective experience... OR each C4 is not identical to the next.

Perhaps the custom moulding process isn't perfect? Perhaps quality control isn't so great with this "startup company"?

 

Either way, it makes the purchase way too risky for me, especially as a critical listening/reference CIEM.

It's a real shame though, because if it's just a matter of quality control, there's a chance I would get a superior product to the UERM. But also a chance I'll be sorely disappointed.

 

I haven't looked into the UE Miracle! I will do some reading about it.

I don't know man, I'd say they should be pretty consistent. I mean, the drivers should be pretty much identical in sound. The only thing that's left is the distance between the drivers and the tip of the bores I guess. I don't think there should be That big of a difference between models! Only if there is something wrong with the drivers :0

I should be getting a 4 driver model from cosmic ears next week, cheap but very neutral ciems.

post #859 of 868

Yeah I thought about a potential inconsistency in quality control and whatnot with the C4s. Had a long email discussion with David (the Frogbeats owner/director). In the end I sent my pair back to be retested by their engineers - they found no faults. Therefore I can only assume that the sound signature of my pair are representative of the model. Disappointing.

 

PS if anyone wants to buy my C4s, pm me. Less than 6 months old.
 

post #860 of 868
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Originally Posted by DutchDoctor View Post

 

Yeah I worded that poorly, when I said there is "no standard" I was more talking about there being no agreed standard being used between manafacturers and many hobbyist reviewers.

 

I'm certain there are quite a few different scientifically certified standards that can be used.

 

Is it me or are FR graphs never labelled properly? As in, what standard is being used.

It gets very very confusing if you're not sure whether you're looking at a compensated graph or a raw graph.

 

I agree with DD that non-compensated graphs make more sense for comparison. The compensated ones I see as being more for marketing purposes (as in, you don't want to put off potential customers by showing them a graph they can't interpret properly).

post #861 of 868

Are we really sure that there are no other worthwhile monitoring CIEMs out there apart from the UERMs (and NT-6)???

I don't like the idea of buying Logitech headphones...

post #862 of 868
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Originally Posted by BoyChewingGum View Post

Are we really sure that there are no other worthwhile monitoring CIEMs out there apart from the UERMs (and NT-6)???

I don't like the idea of buying Logitech headphones...

Take a look at the cosmic ears BA4 http://www.cosmicears.com/shop/ba4/ Here's a review on them: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/totl-madness-24-top-line-custom-ear-monitors-reviewed-companies-john-grandberg

Note that this was the review on the neutral version, there is also a 'fun' version which has slightly more bass to counter the slight spike in upper mids.  When sourced correctly these apparently come close to the JH13, for about a third of the price (if you live in EU).

 

Or spiral ears: http://www.spiralear.com/en/products/se5-reference/ (although these are probably not super duper neutral)

post #863 of 868
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Originally Posted by BoyChewingGum View Post

Are we really sure that there are no other worthwhile monitoring CIEMs out there apart from the UERMs (and NT-6)???

I don't like the idea of buying Logitech headphones...

 

Two years ago I had the same mentality as you and refused to get the UERM. I ended up wasting so much money and time on other products.

 

The UERM screams quality. It is nothing like the Logitech that you know of. It's like a totally different brand and product.

post #864 of 868

Thanks for the info, folks; 'tis much appreciated.
 

post #865 of 868
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Originally Posted by BoyChewingGum View Post

Are we really sure that there are no other worthwhile monitoring CIEMs out there apart from the UERMs (and NT-6)???
I don't like the idea of buying Logitech headphones...
NT6 are supposedly in the bright side of neutral and se5 are very slightly on the warm side of neutral to my ears.
post #866 of 868
I like to look at Ultimate Ears in a positive light. Jerry Harvey started them off, then they refined their craft. Then Logitech stepped in and brought their streamlined marketing, quality control and international resources.

Purin's thread on his factory tour was pretty neat.

I like supporting the little guy, but maybe for a reliable reference we just need to trust a big company?
post #867 of 868
ATTENTION EVERYONE.

I just recieved this email from David at Frogbeats. It looks like my suspicions regarding build quality were true...
Hello Jake,

My sincerest apologies for not getting back to you sooner on this. The main reason is that we've been trying to slowly close everything down with Frogbeats. The CIEM venture was not a successful one and we lost a lot of money doing it. 

It makes me happy to hear that we still have people that are recommending us, but I unfortunately cannot offer you a pair of C4s. The reason is that we actually make a loss in the sale of them, and I am actually concerned about our build quality with the last few, hence why I don't want to sell you something that you will be disappointed with when you receive them. 

There are many reasons for my concerns about the quality, but I cannot go into any of the details due to NDAs and the sort, so all I can say is that I'm really sorry and that I would recommend you go with someone more reputable - like the UERMs. 

Kind regards,
David Annez
Frogbeats owner
post #868 of 868

Damn!

Are they still doing reshells? If so, I'll do you a good price on my set normal_smile%20.gif?

Remember these are now limited editions!

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