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post #826 of 868
Yup thats right
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I'm assuming you did the rush order?  Sorry I haven't been in the thread for a while and don't remember who said what.  
post #827 of 868
How are you liking it so far?
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Originally Posted by Hawaiiancerveza View Post

How are you liking it so far?

On the whole I'm still very pleased with them. I've been using them almost daily since I got them. 

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On the whole I'm still very pleased with them. I've been using them almost daily since I got them. 

Nice have you done a review on them? or your impressions?

post #830 of 868
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Cool, thanks for the tip, itshot. Do you have any links to appropriate resistors?

 

 

I'm not sure if this is directed at uelover or me. For what it's worth... in my opinion, there is only ONE interpretation of neutral. That is: Technically Neutral, in other words - flat FR and fast drivers (short decay) across the spectrum. OK so there is some lee-way given the recording equipment and the ears of the mastering engineer. But if you've listened to enough mixing sessions (I work in broadcast post production so take a dubbing suite running ProTools via a 192 into good monitors eg Genelecs as my reference), you know what neutral means.

 

If people have their own tastes and preferences, that's fine, but there is no question as to 'neutrality'. In my case, I prefer a more treble-y sound compared to the average joe on the street. I do not, however, let this personal preference influence my understanding of 'neutral'.

 

Sorry if this sounds like a mini-rant, but I am sick and tired of reading poorly written reviews etc, in which words like 'neutral' are used not so much for their specific meanings, but rather as a generic compliment (ie 'neutral' = I like this sound because I have awesome ears and the internet tells me awesome ears appreciates flatness). Ugh.

 

 

Thank god I dug a little deeper into this thread. Like yourself, LFFs initial review (plus a few comments I was seeing) had me choosing the CR4 over the UERM. And I would was presently weighing up the risks of going with a startup company that has had less than ideal turn around and customer service. I'm an audio engineer too, and I really struggle with a lot of the subjective opinion on this forum. I agree with you about what "neutral" or "flat" really is. It has nothing to do with personal taste or preference.

 

I'm looking to purchase my first Custom IEM for the main purposes of Mixing/Mastering music, both live and in studio. Would you recommend the UERM? Or is there something else out there?

Thanks for your time.

post #831 of 868

The UERM is a great choice (yes, I've heard it). You can read purrin's account of his tour of the UE CIEM lab elsewhere on head-fi.

 

You are right to think about factors other than people subjective take on the sound. Frankly, when it comes to CIEMs, one is very well advised to buy from a trusted source like UE over a newer CIEM company which may be hyped but whose products are either harder to get, much harder to service or offer poorer service.

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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

The UERM is a great choice (yes, I've heard it). You can read purrin's account of his tour of the UE CIEM lab elsewhere on head-fi.

 

You are right to think about factors other than people subjective take on the sound. Frankly, when it comes to CIEMs, one is very well advised to buy from a trusted source like UE over a newer CIEM company which may be hyped but whose products are either harder to get, much harder to service or offer poorer service.

 

Thanks, I think I will get the UERM. I was all set to buy it right up until I read about this CR4. But I think it's too risky.

Seeing as you've heard the UERM, what do you think of the bass extension? I'm not a bass head, but it would be nice if it stayed pretty consistent to at least 30-60hz before rolling off.

 

I'll be favoring revealing accuracy and flat response over bass extension however.

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Originally Posted by DutchDoctor View Post

 

Thanks, I think I will get the UERM. I was all set to buy it right up until I read about this CR4. But I think it's too risky.

Seeing as you've heard the UERM, what do you think of the bass extension? I'm not a bass head, but it would be nice if it stayed pretty consistent to at least 30-60hz before rolling off.

 

I'll be favoring revealing accuracy and flat response over bass extension however.

The bass is surprisingly good on the UERM! I wouldn't say there's a ton of sub-bass (I'm used to stage monitors which really reach down there), but I think it will fit your requirements with no problem at all.

post #834 of 868

Hiya

I've never heard the UERMs so cannot comment.

Let us know how you get on.

Ta

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I surely will.
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You won't go wrong with the UERM if you intend to use it for mixing/monitoring/critical listening. The C4 failed badly for me in that regard.

 

For music listening, that is more subjective.

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Originally Posted by uelover View Post

You won't go wrong with the UERM if you intend to use it for mixing/monitoring/critical listening. The C4 failed badly for me in that regard.

 

For music listening, that is more subjective.

 

At the risk of taking this thread off-topic, what other custom in-ears are good for this (in the sub $1k class)? I'm definitely not going to keep my C4s in the long run...

Was thinking of the UM Miracles meself.

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Originally Posted by BoyChewingGum View Post

 

The SQ though, is NOT neutral, nor transparent, nor analytical. They are perfectly serviceable CIEM's, but are definitely more 'headphones' than 'monitors'. Big bass hump in the 100Hz-200Hz range, rolled off top top end (>10kHz) and generally a rather cloudy, ever so slightly muffled sound. Hmm.

 

For other potential customers, I feel I should warn ya: these are enjoyable and engaging 'phones, but if you're looking for a flat, lean sound, you should probably look elsewhere.

 

Finally, an honest review (not that I have read the entire thread).

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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Finally, an honest review (not that I have read the entire thread).

 

I've actually been wondering whether maybe there has been a great deal of inconsistency in sound quality with the Frogbeats products (namely the C4).

Some very respected reviewers (one is even a mastering engineer of many years) absolutely loved it, and thought of it as clean and transparent with impressive extension in both the high and low end.

 

Other reviews say almost the complete opposite. Either everyone is having a SEVERELY different subjective experience... OR each C4 is not identical to the next.

Perhaps the custom moulding process isn't perfect? Perhaps quality control isn't so great with this "startup company"?

 

Either way, it makes the purchase way too risky for me, especially as a critical listening/reference CIEM.

It's a real shame though, because if it's just a matter of quality control, there's a chance I would get a superior product to the UERM. But also a chance I'll be sorely disappointed.

 

I haven't looked into the UE Miracle! I will do some reading about it.

post #840 of 868
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Originally Posted by BoyChewingGum View Post

At the risk of taking this thread off-topic, what other custom in-ears are good for this (in the sub $1k class)? I'm definitely not going to keep my C4s in the long run...

Was thinking of the UM Miracles meself.

 

The UERM is still the industry benchmark for the purpose of mixing/monitoring. 

 

The other CIEM I am willing to place my money on is the JH13 Freqphase (it should go sub $1k during black friday sales I guess).

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