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Originally Posted by Cebi View Post

I got an email with the pictures saying that they would be sent yesterday or today, and that I would get a shipping confirmation... nothing yet. :/
 

 

 

Yep, I got nothing after the picture was sent either

post #602 of 868
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

If you do get a chance to go into an audio store...

 

Unfortunately there are no audio stores anywhere near where I live.  It would require a couple days travel and a hotel stay.  The Clip+ will have to do at this point.

 

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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

It's not that surprising, the cowon J3s aren't exactly powerhouses. I'd say look into hisoundaudio players, the cheaper models come with about double the output power of the J3. 

You could also get a portable amp, wait for the fiio x3 or maybe get something from colorfly.

 

I also believe the J3 has an output impedance of 16 ohms (not sure), and the C4s are rated at 29 ohms. Considering damping, the J3 should have an output impedance of 29/8 to make the J3s sound good.

Get a player/amp with the lowest output impedence! 

 

Thanks for the info on impedence.

 

I'd hate to spend money experimenting with different DAPs, amps, etc. trying to find a really good match for the C4s only to find I still liked the F111s better. The Clip+ doesn't have to show the C4s at their absolute best, only provide accurate enough sound to compare them to my F111s.

 

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Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 View Post

If the c4's anything like the c5 sensitivity wise (although Frogbeats dont publish this) then some more mw's would help and a low output impedance, I had a samsung s3 my favourite compatable dac/amp at the present is Jan Meiers PCstep although it might not be to everybodys taste. I found the soundstage from the j3 quite narrow and the bass rolled off.

 

The sensitivity of the C4s seems comparable to the F111s which are significantly more sensitive than my PL50s.  The soundstage of the F111/J3 is very good. The bass is quite clean but doesn't go really deep but that could be due to the F111s.  Overall the sound is exceptionally good.

 

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Originally Posted by HideousPride View Post

Hopefully the source makes a difference! redface.gif Fingers crossed for you.

 

Would be curious to hear how loud people listen to their Frogbeats CIEMs at, I've found that the C4 is most enjoyable for me at lower volumes - have it at around -40dB volume setting on my Clip+. When I have to turn it up to -25dB or so in loud places, I find the listening to be more strenuous.

 

Compare this to high end headphones at home, where I listen at a relatively loud volume (comparatively). We had a mini-meet in Dallas with a lot of open cans on hand, and there was a friendly chap listening to the LCD-3s at such a high volume that I could clearly hear HIS music playing while listening to music playing on my setup a couple feet away.

 

Thanks HideousPride. 

 

I don't listen to music at high volumes.  One thing I noticed right away I noticed right away with the F111s is they were more sensitive and had significantly greater dynamic range than my old PL50s. In some symphonic works there are soft passages that I can barely hear when the loudest passages are approaching too loud. It'll be interesting to compare the C4s when the Clip+ arrives in a week or so.

 

 

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Originally Posted by LCMusicLover View Post

FWIW -- I've been very happy w/ the C4s through my RSA Shadow.

 

Thanks for the info.

 

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Originally Posted by Cebi View Post

How long after you received the pic of your completed C4s did they actually arrive?

 

Got the pic on 18 March, received the C4s 3 April, 16 days later. However the shipment did get hung up due to bad weather.


Edited by Omphalopsychite - 4/4/13 at 2:50pm
post #603 of 868

Only comparing the sensitivity of the c5's to she shure 535's which are super sensitive, I have to wind the volume up around another 20-25% to get comparable volumes on the J3, seems more on a proper amp.


Edited by fuzzy1969 - 4/4/13 at 3:04pm
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Thanks for the info.

 

 

Got the pic on 18 March, received the C4s 3 April, 16 days later. However the shipment did get hung up due to bad weather.

I hope I don't get mine 16 days later...going out to sea in a week!

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x3 on the picture/delivery side of things...
post #606 of 868
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Originally Posted by JoshS1703 View Post

x3 on the picture/delivery side of things...

 

+4 on the picture.

 

and also, still awaiting info for the refits. I had some unanswered questions...and it's been a week. I hope nothing gets confused.

post #607 of 868
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Originally Posted by Omphalopsychite View Post

 

Unfortunately there are no audio stores anywhere near where I live.  It would require a couple days travel and a hotel stay.  The Clip+ will have to do at this point.

 

 

Thanks for the info on impedence.

 

I'd hate to spend money experimenting with different DAPs, amps, etc. trying to find a really good match for the C4s only to find I still liked the F111s better. The Clip+ doesn't have to show the C4s at their absolute best, only provide accurate enough sound to compare them to my F111s.

 

 

The sensitivity of the C4s seems comparable to the F111s which are significantly more sensitive than my PL50s.  The soundstage of the F111/J3 is very good. The bass is quite clean but doesn't go really deep but that could be due to the F111s.  Overall the sound is exceptionally good.

 

 

Thanks HideousPride. 

 

I don't listen to music at high volumes.  One thing I noticed right away I noticed right away with the F111s is they were more sensitive and had significantly greater dynamic range than my old PL50s. In some symphonic works there are soft passages that I can barely hear when the loudest passages are approaching too loud. It'll be interesting to compare the C4s when the Clip+ arrives in a week or so.

 

 

 

Thanks for the info.

 

 

Got the pic on 18 March, received the C4s 3 April, 16 days later. However the shipment did get hung up due to bad weather.

I actually use a clip+ with a fiio e6, doesn't cost much but the fiio e6 does improve the sound. However, the hisoundaudio still wins regarding sound quality, even though it has more hiss.

I'd recommend something from hisoundaudio, they are very euphoric sounding, insane soundstage really and they're very reasonably priced.

 

I'd say it would be waste to just disregard the C4s because they aren't working well with a certain player. I think it's worth to invest a little bit in a good dap. 

A good dap doesn't have to cost a lot though, the new nova line of hisoundaudio costs about $150, and the rocoo p player costs about $100 (if you can find it). Then there is the colorfly c3 which is about $160.

 

I think all these daps will be an improvement for both the fitears and the frogbeats coming from the cowon player. I do think the sansa clip players sound a bit wooly, not a big soundstage and slightly unclear compared to my other sources.

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Just got an email from David confirming that my C4s had been dispatched, and would be with me by 1pm tomorrow.

 

So excited, time to put some test tracks together!

post #609 of 868
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Originally Posted by Cebi View Post

Just got an email from David confirming that my C4s had been dispatched, and would be with me by 1pm tomorrow.

 

So excited, time to put some test tracks together!

Gratz bro!! was your on rush order and how long was the waiting? :D 

post #610 of 868

Got my pic seven days ago, just been told they've been shipped out.

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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I actually use a clip+ with a fiio e6, doesn't cost much but the fiio e6 does improve the sound. However, the hisoundaudio still wins regarding sound quality, even though it has more hiss.

I'd recommend something from hisoundaudio, they are very euphoric sounding, insane soundstage really and they're very reasonably priced.

 

I think all these daps will be an improvement for both the fitears and the frogbeats coming from the cowon player. I do think the sansa clip players sound a bit wooly, not a big soundstage and slightly unclear compared to my other sources.

 

Would offer a friendly challenge for an objective, or even subjective proof of the E6 improving the sound of the Clip+.  I don't think it would do any good, and might actually do some harm.

 

Copy pasted measurements of the Clip+:

  • Frequency Response: Ruler flat from 10 hz to 20 Khz and very accurate
  • Distortion: Below 0.05% which most agree is inaudible
  • Maximum Output: About 15 mW--higher than average
  • Output Impedance: An extremely impressive 1 ohm (dedicated headphone amp territory)

 

Plenty of clean power to drive all efficient headphones you're likely to pair with the DAP. Would also challenge your claim on the players being woolly, lacking in soundstage and unclear (same as woolly?). It's razor clean to my ears and neutral as all get out. Nothing is modified or added, which might account for the euphonic sound from hisoundaudio players (not a knock on their DAP).

 

Have briefly auditioned hisoundaudio and personally couldn't deal with the hiss, spoiled by the noiseless backgrounds I'm used to from on-ear headphone listening with DAC/AMP pairings. To each their own of course! If you like the E6+Clip pairing, then by all means continue to do so.

 

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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post

Gratz bro!! was your on rush order and how long was the waiting? :D 

 


Thanks :D

 

Normal order. The actual manufacture from when David stated it had started was 6 weeks. But there were days at the beginning whilst my impressions were being shipped to the manufacturer from Frogbeats, and a week this side for shipping back and quality control.

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Originally Posted by HideousPride View Post

 

Would offer a friendly challenge for an objective, or even subjective proof of the E6 improving the sound of the Clip+.  I don't think it would do any good, and might actually do some harm.

 

Copy pasted measurements of the Clip+:

  • Frequency Response: Ruler flat from 10 hz to 20 Khz and very accurate
  • Distortion: Below 0.05% which most agree is inaudible
  • Maximum Output: About 15 mW--higher than average
  • Output Impedance: An extremely impressive 1 ohm (dedicated headphone amp territory)

 

Plenty of clean power to drive all efficient headphones you're likely to pair with the DAP. Would also challenge your claim on the players being woolly, lacking in soundstage and unclear (same as woolly?). It's razor clean to my ears and neutral as all get out. Nothing is modified or added, which might account for the euphonic sound from hisoundaudio players (not a knock on their DAP).

 

Have briefly auditioned hisoundaudio and personally couldn't deal with the hiss, spoiled by the noiseless backgrounds I'm used to from on-ear headphone listening with DAC/AMP pairings. To each their own of course! If you like the E6+Clip pairing, then by all means continue to do so.

 

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It is a bit wooly sounding though, the specs you provided have nothing to do with detail. It's probably the dac, and yes the E6 is not going to change that.

However, the E6 does enhance the sound a bit for the better. Soundstage is a tad bigger, and clarity is also a tad better. It also gives the sound a bit more 'oomph', as in p.r.a.t.

 

 

The clip players are good for the price, but they are not the besting sounding daps out there. Even if the hisoundaudio players would use enhancements, they do it darn good, and they sound darn good. The hiss is only annoying when it's silent, but I usually do not use IEMs when there is no outside noise.

 

I don't use the clip and E6 anymore because the rocoo p sounds that much better. Even with the hiss.

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Better not to turn this into a DAP debate or go down the sound science route, so I'll chalk up our differing opinions to a difference in preference. No harm meant mate. wink.gif

 

Still finding the C4s very enjoyable, but am somewhat looking at the Fitear line myself. Have always been curious about their universal IEMs and the supposed SQ behind them, might have to check it out for myself sometime soon.

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Originally Posted by Cebi View Post

Just got an email from David confirming that my C4s had been dispatched, and would be with me by 1pm tomorrow.

 

So excited, time to put some test tracks together!

Me too lol... though I don't expect mine by tomorrow. Maybe Monday or Tuesday :P

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