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Wow... I was about to say thats way darker than what the diesel lok like but I guess you asked for them to be a little darker?

 

Nop ... I got the email and it was like this. :P

 

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Any suggestions to cope with the withdrawals. I should have an extra $500 in funds for something else, but of course, cheaper is never a bad thing as long as it doesn't sacrifice that much quality.

 

HE-400's? lol... not the last word on neutrality and I doubt it'll sound anywhere close to the C4's sound sig, but you'll be able to sell them back quick and with minimal loss.


Edited by itshot - 4/1/13 at 10:31pm
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Wow either way they look awesome.

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Nop ... I got the email and it was like this. :P

 

 

HE-400's? lol... not the last word on neutrality and I doubt it'll sound anywhere close to the C4's sound sig, but you'll be able to sell them back quick and with minimal loss.

 

23t23ds: Ya they were the clear shell.  Shucks, seems they get finger prints on them easily.  Thats it I'm not going to get these!... haha ya right.  These are on my radar either way.  

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Nop ... I got the email and it was like this. :P

 

 

HE-400's? lol... not the last word on neutrality and I doubt it'll sound anywhere close to the C4's sound sig, but you'll be able to sell them back quick and with minimal loss.

I was actually considering the Mad Dogs. Seeing as it is all the rage, and my friend is definitely a fan of them. Either way, I'll be expecting a 2 month wait period, so hopefully they will be quite good. 

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I was actually considering the Mad Dogs. Seeing as it is all the rage, and my friend is definitely a fan of them. Either way, I'll be expecting a 2 month wait period, so hopefully they will be quite good. 

They've very comfortable.

 

Probably the best thing I can say about them. Okay value at their price point IMO.

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I was actually considering the Mad Dogs. Seeing as it is all the rage, and my friend is definitely a fan of them. Either way, I'll be expecting a 2 month wait period, so hopefully they will be quite good. 

Honestly, I think the C4s are better than the Mad Dogs. At the very least they are even. I haven't listened to the C4s (obviously), but I have to the Maddogs and the tdk BA200. And I don't think the BA200 is that much worse (about 85% of the sq level of MDs) than the Maddogs, let alone a cIEM with double the amount of drivers.

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They've very comfortable.

 

Probably the best thing I can say about them. Okay value at their price point IMO.

Would you have any other suggestions?

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Honestly, I think the C4s are better than the Mad Dogs. At the very least they are even. I haven't listened to the C4s (obviously), but I have to the Maddogs and the tdk BA200. And I don't think the BA200 is that much worse (about 85% of the sq level of MDs) than the Maddogs, let alone a cIEM with double the amount of drivers.

We'll, I am trying to find something that can occupy the void of my C4s when they're gone. So its most likely to be something below C4 performance. I'm not necessarily looking for an  upgrade, just a "filler headphone." 

 

I'm also eyeing maybe a used F111. 

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Would you have any other suggestions?

We'll, I am trying to find something that can occupy the void of my C4s when they're gone. So its most likely to be something below C4 performance. I'm not necessarily looking for an  upgrade, just a "filler headphone." 

 

I'm also eyeing maybe a used F111. 

Oh ok, didn't get that. You're doing a refit right? How much is that going to cost you? Maddogs are still very good though, but they need a good amp. 

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Oh ok, didn't get that. You're doing a refit right? How much is that going to cost you? Maddogs are still very good though, but they need a good amp. 

Well, prob shipping costs...which could cost up to $100 (there and back) depending on how Frogbeats handles it. I have no idea. They just gave me the waybill for DHL. No further comunication yet. Hopefully they can clarify things for me.

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Would you have any other suggestions?

We'll, I am trying to find something that can occupy the void of my C4s when they're gone. So its most likely to be something below C4 performance. I'm not necessarily looking for an  upgrade, just a "filler headphone." 

 

I'm also eyeing maybe a used F111. 

Small ears? If so, grab a pair of Senn Momentums. Great on the go, sound quality is good. Great resale value currently. Get $50 off retail from Razordog.

 

Want something really cheap that'll work until you get it back but sounds good plugged straight into a DAP? Citiscape Uptown/Downtown. Just take care not to snap the flimsy cable.

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Small ears? If so, grab a pair of Senn Momentums. Great on the go, sound quality is good. Great resale value currently. Get $50 off retail from Razordog.

 

Want something really cheap that'll work until you get it back but sounds good plugged straight into a DAP? Citiscape Uptown/Downtown. Just take care not to snap the flimsy cable.

Big ears sort of. Depth is pretty important. Looking for a good match with the C4s in terms of quality. That way i can have a home setup/port or a backup in case something breaks etc. something taht can stand on relatively equal ground.


Edited by EveTan - 4/2/13 at 11:21am
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For reference, what are some headphones you've tried on in the past that have fit you very comfortably?

 

Are you planning on taking them on the go? If just home use, Sennheiser 598! They do anime OSTs super well. :) Been loving the new EGOIST/Supercell songs.

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For reference, what are some headphones you've tried on in the past that have fit you very comfortably?

 

Are you planning on taking them on the go? If just home use, Sennheiser 598! They do anime OSTs super well. :) Been loving the new EGOIST/Supercell songs.

Only the lcd2/3 and hd800s fit my ears relatively comfortably. M100s pad depths were horrid for my ears.

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Only the lcd2/3 and hd800s fit my ears relatively comfortably. M100s pad depths were horrid for my ears.

Think the 598s are relatively similar to the 800s. Depth is fairly good.

 

If you want the Mad Dogs, they should work as well. Comfort is a very strong point that I enjoyed.

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My C4s arrived today, in transit for 7 days, 3 to get to Sydney, another 4 to make the 450k down the coast to me.

Really pretty cherry red jewels. They're a rather tight fit, but a few stiff raps with a rubber mallet quickly solves that.  The isolation is very good, however it's a bit of a challenge to pry them out.  Fortunately I found out, quite by accident, that if I sneezed they would pop right out.

Ok, I'm joking, they appear to fit just fine. ksc75smile.gif

Quite snug, good seal. I say 'appear to' only because this is my first set of CIEMs and I'm not really sure what a good fit is like. I've haven't worn them enough to tell if they're too snug, and would be uncomfortable for extended listening.

But I don't think there's going to be any problem with the fit. The problem is with the sound. When I first put them in and heard the sound I thought something was wrong. I checked that they were all the way in and seated properly: they were.

The first piece I listened to was Schubert's String Quintet performed by the Lindsey Quartet. Great playing, very nice recording, I'm very familiar with both. The instruments sounded vague and muffled compared to my reference UIEMs. The individual voices of the violins, viola and cellos lacked some of their unique qualities. The cello lost its throaty growl in the lower register. There isn't the space around the instruments and the notes seem to lack attack and clarity. The difference between the C4s and the reference UIEMs were not subtle but marked.

Going to very different music, the Dance of the Coachmen and Grooms from Stravinsky's Petrushka, the problems mentioned aboved were present but the 'bloat' was more obvious. The music lost its sparkle and drive.  triportsad.gif

The 'reference UIEMs'?  The Fitear F111s I bought recently. I love them, they do everything I want. At this point I'm very disappointed with the C4s. I'm going to try 'burning them in', see if that makes a difference although I haven't found any mention in this thread that they require it. If not I'll contact Frogbeats and see where to go from here. Not sure I want to spend more time and money pursuing the C4s as an option, especially since I'm finding the F111s so enjoyable.  It really puzzles me that my experience should be so dramatically different than other far more experience people on this forum.



FWIW,

O.

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My C4s arrived today, in transit for 7 days, 3 to get to Sydney, another 4 to make the 450k down the coast to me.

Really pretty cherry red jewels. They're a rather tight fit, but a few stiff raps with a rubber mallet quickly solves that.  The isolation is very good, however it's a bit of a challenge to pry them out.  Fortunately I found out, quite by accident, that if I sneezed they would pop right out.

Ok, I'm joking, they appear to fit just fine. ksc75smile.gif

Quite snug, good seal. I say 'appear to' only because this is my first set of CIEMs and I'm not really sure what a good fit is like. I've haven't worn them enough to tell if they're too snug, and would be uncomfortable for extended listening.

But I don't think there's going to be any problem with the fit. The problem is with the sound. When I first put them in and heard the sound I thought something was wrong. I checked that they were all the way in and seated properly: they were.

The first piece I listened to was Schubert's String Quintet performed by the Lindsey Quartet. Great playing, very nice recording, I'm very familiar with both. The instruments sounded vague and muffled compared to my reference UIEMs. The individual voices of the violins, viola and cellos lacked some of their unique qualities. The cello lost its throaty growl in the lower register. There isn't the space around the instruments and the notes seem to lack attack and clarity. The difference between the C4s and the reference UIEMs were not subtle but marked.

Going to very different music, the Dance of the Coachmen and Grooms from Stravinsky's Petrushka, the problems mentioned aboved were present but the 'bloat' was more obvious. The music lost its sparkle and drive.  triportsad.gif

The 'reference UIEMs'?  The Fitear F111s I bought recently. I love them, they do everything I want. At this point I'm very disappointed with the C4s. I'm going to try 'burning them in', see if that makes a difference although I haven't found any mention in this thread that they require it. If not I'll contact Frogbeats and see where to go from here. Not sure I want to spend more time and money pursuing the C4s as an option, especially since I'm finding the F111s so enjoyable.  It really puzzles me that my experience should be so dramatically different than other far more experience people on this forum.



FWIW,

O.

Burn in does not drastically change balances armature sound. So I see four possibilities:

  • You have a fit issue
  • Your unit is deffective
  • You do not like the C4 sound signature
  • This CIEM has been overhyped
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