Frogbeats Custom-IEM Appreciation Thread - Page 17

wow, this thread pretty much inert not so long ago, Ive got a bit carried away dac/amps for my c5's.

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Originally Posted by HideousPride 

Did you go with the white logo with the idea in mind to pair it with the cable? They match very well aesthetically. :)

Wish I could say so, but I only realized that after you mentioned it

If anyones looking for a cable for a frogbeat custom they are the same as westone cables (email david just to be sure) JH UE cable the pins are the same pitch ( distance apart but the pins are longer) i think.edit just pulled my triple.fi cables off and they are different from the frogbeat cables I kinda looked into it a while back and I think the cable with frogbeats is the basic westone 4r cable (flush fit) (email frogbeats).

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Originally Posted by LyPForever 

yup , i strongly agree with you . i found the 4.Ai ( 4.A ) has no match to the C4s especially soundstage , image and bass ........

i find the soundstage , image of C4s become crazier when i listen with my DIY silver cable . Probably the C4s is one of my best IEM now

I'm finding it quite hard to believe that the 4.A and the C4 use the same driver configuration, they really do sound different in significant ways

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Originally Posted by 23t23dS 

I'm finding it quite hard to believe that the 4.A and the C4 use the same driver configuration, they really do sound different in significant ways

Yes the changstar frequency response graph is pretty much meaningless, as frequency response graphs cant figure out the crossover tuning.

Hey. Hideous Pride, how much was the shipping cost to do refits? I have a feeling I might want to refit my left side, but I am unsure. It's not terrible, just slightly a bit loose. No seal is lost.

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Originally Posted by Kunlun 


Could you explain what you mean in a little more detail, please?

Inside each shell is a 3 way crossover which directs the appropriate frequency's to the bass, mid and treble drivers.

@LyPForever. Thats interesting coming from a cowon j3 I find the soundstage wider, the mids fuller and more forward its really a big step up for me, are you using the dac or the line-in if the line-in what are you using for the source? I havn't spent much time with it.

Ah ok, frequency response graphs rely on frequency sweeps and measuring the sound pressure levels at the other end, which is fine for say dynamic drivers which have no crossover but with multi BA which have crossovers which filter the bass,mid,treble to appropriate BA it doesn't mean a lot, also the crossover is the main reason why multi BA's can change impedance at given frequency's and music contains a multitude of different frequency's something else frequency sweeps don't allow for. edit sorry for not being specfic but Ive just woken up.

Not sure about the others as these will be my first CIEMs..

Personally some of the tracks I use are BT and Shpongle.  Some classical (Peer Gynt and Holst The Planets come to mind) Not too sure about J-Music and Vocaloids.

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Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 

Ah ok, frequency response graphs rely on frequency sweeps and measuring the sound pressure levels at the other end, which is fine for say dynamic drivers which have no crossover but with multi BA which have crossovers which filter the bass,mid,treble to appropriate BA it doesn't mean a lot, also the crossover is the main reason why multi BA's can change impedance at given frequency's and music contains a multitude of different frequency's something else frequency sweeps don't allow for. edit sorry for not being specfic but Ive just woken up.

Well, as to the first part of your answer, there's something else that measures sound pressure levels "at the other end" -- the human ear. Some people would say that dynamic drivers are indeed fine for this Some of the problems with multi BA and crossover set-ups will indeed show up on a graph, just as they can be heard. For example, a flaw in the crossover tuning of the C4 leads to a dip or suckout in the frequency response that the reviewer LFF heard and this was later seen in the graph.  Therefore, a frequency response graph is far from meaningless.

As for the second part, I've just shown that a frequency response graph can convey meaningful information if done right. That it may not be right to measure all aspects of an earphone's sound production doesn't make it meaningless. You may be aware that there are several different types of ways to plot an earphone's sound. You can see purrin's website for more information.

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Originally Posted by EveTan 

Anyone know any tracks i can test soundstage with? Everything seems narrow right now. And i don't seem to be hearing too much of anything from my left earpiece, so i'm wondering if t hat is from my music selections or from a poor fit. I can definitely wiggle the left one more than the right one. It really pains me to have to send them back. Perhaps i'm wrong and it's just that that ear can't get a seal normally?

I kinda use two albums :-

Head-Fi's Open Your Ears from HDTracks

Dr. Chesky's Sensational, Fantastic, and Simply Amazing Binaural Sound Show also from HDTracks