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post #241 of 868

wow, this thread pretty much inert not so long ago, Ive got a bit carried away dac/amps for my c5's.

 

 

post #242 of 868
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Originally Posted by HideousPride View Post

Did you go with the white logo with the idea in mind to pair it with the cable? They match very well aesthetically. :)


Wish I could say so, but I only realized that after you mentioned it redface.gif

post #243 of 868

If anyones looking for a cable for a frogbeat custom they are the same as westone cables (email david just to be sure) JH UE cable the pins are the same pitch ( distance apart but the pins are longer) i think.edit just pulled my triple.fi cables off and they are different from the frogbeat cables I kinda looked into it a while back and I think the cable with frogbeats is the basic westone 4r cable (flush fit) (email frogbeats).


Edited by fuzzy1969 - 3/1/13 at 2:15pm
post #244 of 868
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Originally Posted by LyPForever View Post

yup , i strongly agree with you . i found the 4.Ai ( 4.A ) has no match to the C4s especially soundstage , image and bass ........

i find the soundstage , image of C4s become crazier when i listen with my DIY silver cable . Probably the C4s is one of my best IEM now


I'm finding it quite hard to believe that the 4.A and the C4 use the same driver configuration, they really do sound different in significant ways

post #245 of 868
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I'm finding it quite hard to believe that the 4.A and the C4 use the same driver configuration, they really do sound different in significant ways

Yes the changstar frequency response graph is pretty much meaningless, as frequency response graphs cant figure out the crossover tuning.

post #246 of 868
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Yes the changstar frequency response graph is pretty much meaningless, as frequency response graphs cant figure out the crossover tuning.

Could you explain what you mean in a little more detail, please?
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I'm finding it quite hard to believe that the 4.A and the C4 use the same driver configuration, they really do sound different in significant ways

as my research , actually they use the same driver config , even filters are the same too .............. but i do find they're sound different , too ............... i told tomcsy2000 before but seem like he didn't believe me :))

 

@fuzz : i try to plug my c4s in to glacier but the result is not really good ..........i feel everything are nice except the narrow soundstage ........ how your C5s sound when pair with glacier

post #248 of 868

Hey. Hideous Pride, how much was the shipping cost to do refits? I have a feeling I might want to refit my left side, but I am unsure. It's not terrible, just slightly a bit loose. No seal is lost.

post #249 of 868
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Could you explain what you mean in a little more detail, please?

Inside each shell is a 3 way crossover which directs the appropriate frequency's to the bass, mid and treble drivers.

 

@LyPForever. Thats interesting coming from a cowon j3 I find the soundstage wider, the mids fuller and more forward its really a big step up for me, are you using the dac or the line-in if the line-in what are you using for the source? I havn't spent much time with it.

post #250 of 868
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Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 View Post

Yes the changstar frequency response graph is pretty much meaningless, as frequency response graphs cant figure out the crossover tuning.

 

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Could you explain what you mean in a little more detail, please?

 

 

I think what Kunlun means is can you be more specific on why the freq response graphs are meaningless.  Are you talking about specifically to crossover tuning?  Then yes - but the graphs can be used for other purposes..
 
my .2c. - best if you clarify what you're talkin bout
post #251 of 868

Ah ok, frequency response graphs rely on frequency sweeps and measuring the sound pressure levels at the other end, which is fine for say dynamic drivers which have no crossover but with multi BA which have crossovers which filter the bass,mid,treble to appropriate BA it doesn't mean a lot, also the crossover is the main reason why multi BA's can change impedance at given frequency's and music contains a multitude of different frequency's something else frequency sweeps don't allow for. edit sorry for not being specfic but Ive just woken up.


Edited by fuzzy1969 - 3/1/13 at 11:41pm
post #252 of 868
Anyone know any tracks i can test soundstage with? Everything seems narrow right now. And i don't seem to be hearing too much of anything from my left earpiece, so i'm wondering if t hat is from my music selections or from a poor fit. I can definitely wiggle the left one more than the right one. It really pains me to have to send them back. Perhaps i'm wrong and it's just that that ear can't get a seal normally?
post #253 of 868

Not sure about the others as these will be my first CIEMs..

 

Personally some of the tracks I use are BT and Shpongle.  Some classical (Peer Gynt and Holst The Planets come to mind) Not too sure about J-Music and Vocaloids.


Edited by DTrewwye - 3/2/13 at 9:00am
post #254 of 868
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Originally Posted by fuzzy1969 View Post

Ah ok, frequency response graphs rely on frequency sweeps and measuring the sound pressure levels at the other end, which is fine for say dynamic drivers which have no crossover but with multi BA which have crossovers which filter the bass,mid,treble to appropriate BA it doesn't mean a lot, also the crossover is the main reason why multi BA's can change impedance at given frequency's and music contains a multitude of different frequency's something else frequency sweeps don't allow for. edit sorry for not being specfic but Ive just woken up.

Well, as to the first part of your answer, there's something else that measures sound pressure levels "at the other end" -- the human ear. Some people would say that dynamic drivers are indeed fine for this wink.gif Some of the problems with multi BA and crossover set-ups will indeed show up on a graph, just as they can be heard. For example, a flaw in the crossover tuning of the C4 leads to a dip or suckout in the frequency response that the reviewer LFF heard and this was later seen in the graph.  Therefore, a frequency response graph is far from meaningless.

 

As for the second part, I've just shown that a frequency response graph can convey meaningful information if done right. That it may not be right to measure all aspects of an earphone's sound production doesn't make it meaningless. You may be aware that there are several different types of ways to plot an earphone's sound. You can see purrin's website for more information.

post #255 of 868
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Anyone know any tracks i can test soundstage with? Everything seems narrow right now. And i don't seem to be hearing too much of anything from my left earpiece, so i'm wondering if t hat is from my music selections or from a poor fit. I can definitely wiggle the left one more than the right one. It really pains me to have to send them back. Perhaps i'm wrong and it's just that that ear can't get a seal normally?

 

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