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post #76 of 120

Yes, they have better extension than the HD650.  Whereas the HD650 starts becoming anemic around 50hz, the HE-400 goes down to about 35hz, gently rolls down to 30hz, then takes a steep rolloff after.  The much acclaimed LCD2 goes down to 30hz solid, but drops off steeply after that as well.

post #77 of 120

I seem to remember the D2000 I had were still quite strong at 20hz

 

Are the HE400 harsh / sibilant? Or are they bright but smooth?

post #78 of 120

Most of what you hear on the D2000 at around 20hz is harmonic distortion, they're quite high there.  No doubt that their closed nature helps them extend a little bit better though.  I remember them being decent to around 25hz.

 

The HE-400 are harsh and sibilant if the particular recording being played has lots of elevated upper treble information.  This might include lots of pop songs etc.  For the most part they're very warm.

post #79 of 120
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Yes, they have better extension than the HD650.  Whereas the HD650 starts becoming anemic around 50hz, the HE-400 goes down to about 35hz, gently rolls down to 30hz, then takes a steep rolloff after.  The much acclaimed LCD2 goes down to 30hz solid, but drops off steeply after that as well.

I've never gotten a chance to test the LCD2s past auditioning them for music, but really?

 

My HE500s with modded pads are flat down to 26 Hz (and I mean completely solid extension without a hint of decrease in intensity) before gently rolling off. I do recall it rolling off sharply at 35 Hz before without the sub-bass mod though, so that must be why. 

 

Once I can get around to it, might do the same with my HE400s and see just exactly how much its sub-bass could extend with modding. Currently it still only uses jergpad 1.0 which does not have the sub-bass mod.

post #80 of 120

What did you think about the lcd2?

post #81 of 120

They were my findings.  I put them through the gauntlet of all my best bassy songs and test tones.

 

Now the graph one person posted a long time ago for me when comparing LCD2 to an HE-6 sorta makes sense.  It showed the LCD2 being extremely flat then taking a nosedive, and the HE-6 rolling off earlier but having more energy way down low.  Hell if I know about it being true or not, but at was at least how I heard the LCD2. 

 

LCD2 has literally almost no thd in its bass either, so that also probably plays into it seeming really quiet down low, although I was expecting to feel more pressure than I did.

post #82 of 120

Sounds like pretty much any good headphone with badly recorded "pop" music or similar genres then... I have learnt in the last few years that there is no such thing as a headphone which has treble detail and still sounds good with bad recordings... It is not the headphones fault they are just playing what is in the source.... Except some headphones which make sibilance worse. I think the HE400 will be my next headphone purchase... I hope I am not underwhelmed by the sub bass or that they are too bright / harsh.... Are the more forgiving that the Denons? I found the D2000 too sibilant and they hurt my ears... Loved the bass though beyersmile.png


Edited by nicholars - 5/7/13 at 9:16am
post #83 of 120

Just get it already and return it if you dont like it.  If I'm not mistaken, head-direct still offers the 30 day return policy.

post #84 of 120

Mmm yes good idea

post #85 of 120
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

They were my findings.  I put them through the gauntlet of all my best bassy songs and test tones.

 

Now the graph one person posted a long time ago for me when comparing LCD2 to an HE-6 sorta makes sense.  It showed the LCD2 being extremely flat then taking a nosedive, and the HE-6 rolling off earlier but having more energy way down low.  Hell if I know about it being true or not, but at was at least how I heard the LCD2. 

 

LCD2 has literally almost no thd in its bass either, so that also probably plays into it seeming really quiet down low, although I was expecting to feel more pressure than I did.

 

That's a fair point with regards to the THD; HE500 has higher 2nd order HD than LCD2 as purrin's measurements showed. However how much that could have contributed to more overall quantity of sub-bass is questionable, as all we know is it might be indicative of the slight lack of control in the HE500 bass. At any rate, I'm quite content with this sub-bass performance I'm squeezing out of my HE500s practically for free.

post #86 of 120
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Originally Posted by bareyb View Post
 

 

 

 

Ultrasone Pro900 vs. HiFi Man HE400

 

Well the verdict is in...The HE400 has fantastic Bass but yeah, the quantity is not as much as the Pro900s. The Pro900s have the best Bass PUNCH I've heard in ANY headphone. Unfortunately, it's a tad too much, even for me... The high end can be a tad bright and sibilant. In other words, it was fun at first blush, but I it didn't take too long to notice the shortcomings. It was great on Dubstep, but on Vocals a bit harsh and congested at times. 

 

The HE400s can be made to sound just as Bassy as a Pro900 if you have an EQ. +4 Bass on the H17 and there you go. Just as much thump and better overall definition of the Bass. The HE400 also roll off deeper than the Pro900s and are a little more musical overall. On the upper end... with the right song, they are nothing short of a Spiritual experience. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Besides having the the best Bass of any low impedance Open Back Headphone (according to this site), they also have the Mids and highs that only an Ortho can provide. The Midrange on the HE400 is more forward than the 900s and the Mids and Highs are simply going to make you smile from ear to ear on a regular basis.Combine that with outstanding Bass and you've got a real winner here.  

 

There's not much negative to say about the HE400, especially at this price. The only negative is that they were a tad bright for me at first, but that quickly went away after only about 20 hours of break-in. Now they have just the right amount of sizzle at the high end for me. Not so much that it's hard on the ears, but not so little that you lose some of the dynamics at upper end. It's a good trade off and is similarly voiced to how I would probably set them up myself. I love well defined, punchy and DEEP Bass combined with smooth, detailed, highs. 

 

Bottom line: If you are looking for the best "bang for the buck" in a Portable system, you could do a lot worse than the combo I'm using. FiiO E17 Amp (Bass +2 and Treble +0) and the HE400s (after about 20 hours of burn-in). Portable Audiophile sound with plenty of punch for a little over $500.00. Pretty tough to beat the price performance ratio. 

 

It is very easy to beat that ratio. Let's consider for example the Koss KSC75 @ $16.80.

 

500 / 16.80 ~= 30.

 

Is the sound coming out of the combo you mentioned 30 times better than the sound coming out of the Koss KSC75? Hell no!

It's not even twice as better. The sound coming out of a pair of Koss KSC75 is already so good, that any of the available headphones in the market can only offer marginal improvements and very subjective to taste.

Of course it is hard to quantify sound quality, but the sound quality in most headphone considered by head-fiers is already so good, than most times the price is the indicator for the quality which will fuzzy away in proper blind tests

 

Koss KSC75 is just an example, there are are many other headphones, even cheaper, or full cans who have a better ratio than the HE400s.

 

There might be ways to justify spending $500 on equipment to listen to some music, but price performance ratio isn't one of them.

Don't delude yourself.

post #87 of 120
I really think that the hifiman he-400's are way more addicting!! In my opinion....because i own the Sennheiser hd650, and the he-400 and i really love the 400's better! :-)
post #88 of 120

I constantly switch between the two. I really love them both, and suit my needs depending on what mood I'm in. Like sometimes I want a warm cup of coffee in the morning. Other times I want a Monster energy drink.

 

Bottom line, I think they are perfectly suited to compliment each other!

post #89 of 120
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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post

I've been contemplating the HD650 for some time, but I've heard that the HE 400 is awesome for electronic music, which is what I mostly listen to. Can anyone who's spent time with both headphones comment on which headphone they would prefer with electronic music? (electronica, drum and bass, dubstep)
I own both the hifiman he-400 and the sennheiser hd650, and I do listen to electronica music sometimes, and got to admit that the he-400 do sound way more detailed, natural, more fun, energetic, and I prefer the he-400. That's my opinion...hd650 is more bright, less detailed, and not as good on the treble and mid range.
post #90 of 120

HD650 bright and less detailed? :o

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