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Position of Headphones on my head just ruined Head-fi for me

post #1 of 11
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All these different DACs, amps, cables, transports... whatever. After a certain price point, the difference between them is so small, that how you wear the headphone is a lot more important to how your ears perceive the sound.

 

I can ABX all day between my different gears. But in the end, what matters the most is how I wear the HD800 on my head. At one point, a certain frequency really caused ear-splitting pain for me. All I did was moving the headset 1cm from where they were, viola problem gone.

 

Maybe it's the shape of my head, maybe it's my ear canals, maybe it's my hair. The point is, if I want to ABX properly on my HD800, I have to use a mirror, and watch the position of the headphones relative to my facial features and jawline. Otherwise, as soon as I take the headphones off, it will be a complete different story the next time I put them on.

 

As of now, I'm packaging up all my gears, selling most of them, giving the rest to my brother. I only need one headphone, one amp, one DAC, and one set of cables. If I crave for a different sound, all I need to do is slightly adjust the position of the HD800 on my head.

 

At least now I can say that I no longer feel sorry for my wallet.

 

 

p.s. this effect is most prominent with the HD800 out of all my headphones. It's no surprise since the HD800 is by far the biggest headphone that I own.

post #2 of 11

And the secret is out folks.

 

Placement actually affects sound.

 

NEVER would have thought of that.

 

I hope you don't have to get rid of all your speakers too, if you have any, since they're so absolutely sensitive to placement as well. I mean, a lot of speaker setups are absolutely critical of placement. Mirrors are literally used. Literally.

 

</sarcasm, rude humor>

 

Very best,


Edited by MalVeauX - 11/15/12 at 5:16pm
post #3 of 11

Unless you have headphones with specifically tuned sound signatures that can't really be all mimicked by a single headphone, like the Ultrasone Pro 750's very v-shaped and bassy sound signature vs the MS2i's very midrange forward and treble happy sound signature vs the JH13's very balanced sound signature.


Edited by ProjectDenz - 11/15/12 at 5:20pm
post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

And the secret is out folks.

Placement actually affects sound.

NEVER would have thought of that.

I hope you don't have to get rid of all your speakers too, if you have any, since they're so absolutely sensitive to placement as well. I mean, a lot of speaker setups are absolutely critical of placement. Mirrors are literally used. Literally.



Very best,

^ wow that's the first time I have ever seen a reaction out of Mal like that. Now that is saying something about that opening post.
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^ wow that's the first time I have ever seen a reaction out of Mal like that. Now that is saying something about that opening post.

 

Heheheh... what can I say? I mean, come on, placement of a speaker hovering over your ear revealed the truth and ruined head-fi for this person. They're selling everything. Done. I mean... wow. I'm actually really surprised that someone who spent several thousand dollars on just a single headphone setup (dac, amp, headphone) is posting about placement of a driver affecting the perceived sound. More money than sense? I'm being a total jerk about it, because I would expect someone dropping that kind of money on their headphone setup to simply have the common sense to already have figured that placement just might matter in audio. Not just headphones, but all audio. It blew my mind. I had to drop some sarcasm. Had to make jokes. It gave me a great laugh.

 

No offense truly meant, all simply in rude/good humor. tongue_smile.gif

 

"Guys, I think I found out why my sound stage on my Hifimans was all wrong! It was positioned wrong the whole time!! I'm selling EVERYTHING!"

 

 

Ok... I'll stop being a jerk. Again, hopefully this was taken simply as boyish humor. No real offense intended. Good laughs for all, I'd buy ya a beer.

 

Very best,


Edited by MalVeauX - 11/15/12 at 5:52pm
post #6 of 11
lol.. Im crying right now ^ beyersmile.png

Edit: BTW.. I think I am done too. Just realized the volume knob affects sound more than anything else...
Edited by Doc-holliday - 11/15/12 at 6:10pm
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Thread Starter 

No offense taken. My post was mostly a rant coming out of the realization that I'm spending way too much money for extremely small differences - extremely small differences that are overshadowed by many other factors.

 

I'm looking at the three cables I own. For certain songs in my collection, I can tell the difference between them. With the same song, maybe I'll rate cable A as 80/100 on the enjoyment scale, cable B as 82/100, and cable C as 79/100. But what's the point of switching cables when I can move the headphone slightly and make that 90/100 on the enjoyment scale? Though I will admit that no matter how much I move the headphones, I cannot get past 90/100 for this one song. Maybe with the right cable and the best placement, I can get 92/100. I can also switch the amp and DAC to get 95/100 for this one song. But dude, that's a lot of money just for this one song.

 

In most cases, for each component you switch, especially at the higher end, it really is the difference between x/100 and (x+2)/100, and most of the time even smaller differences. I realized that I got so caught up on these tiny upgrades, that I'm forgetting other factors, such as position of the headphones on my head, will affect my enjoyment a lot more than these tiny upgrades ever will.

 

 

I think I will keep a few special headphones, such as one with a V-shape, maybe another one that is closed and bass-heavy. The rest of my gear will go. I'll be okay with losing the option to achieve those (x+1)/100 or (x+2)/100 for certain songs. Certainly makes my desk less clustered, plus a couple thousand dollars more in my wallet.

post #8 of 11

Seems like a good idea. It's not all about the best sound quality anyways. It's probably why the JH13 is probably my least listened to headphone, it may be the best I have but listening to all these different sound signatures out there give me more enjoyment.

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No offense taken. My post was mostly a rant coming out of the realization that I'm spending way too much money for extremely small differences - extremely small differences that are overshadowed by many other factors.

 

I'm looking at the three cables I own. For certain songs in my collection, I can tell the difference between them. With the same song, maybe I'll rate cable A as 80/100 on the enjoyment scale, cable B as 82/100, and cable C as 79/100. But what's the point of switching cables when I can move the headphone slightly and make that 90/100 on the enjoyment scale? Though I will admit that no matter how much I move the headphones, I cannot get past 90/100 for this one song. Maybe with the right cable and the best placement, I can get 92/100. I can also switch the amp and DAC to get 95/100 for this one song. But dude, that's a lot of money just for this one song.

 

In most cases, for each component you switch, especially at the higher end, it really is the difference between x/100 and (x+2)/100, and most of the time even smaller differences. I realized that I got so caught up on these tiny upgrades, that I'm forgetting other factors, such as position of the headphones on my head, will affect my enjoyment a lot more than these tiny upgrades ever will.

 

 

I think I will keep a few special headphones, such as one with a V-shape, maybe another one that is closed and bass-heavy. The rest of my gear will go. I'll be okay with losing the option to achieve those (x+1)/100 or (x+2)/100 for certain songs. Certainly makes my desk less clustered, plus a couple thousand dollars more in my wallet.

 

Heya,

 

I hear you. I never got tangled into trying to perfect the setup in summit because I'm just not willing to pay a few thousand for 5% gains, at best, and even then, a gain in technicality is not always a gain in enjoyment. I've had higher end equipment that simply didn't sound as good, casually, as others that cost less. There is something to be said about getting new equipment for the fun of it, as this is really a gear-hobby as much as it is an acoustic experience. Instead of perfecting one setup, I've always spread my expense around, between speakers, other headphones, source equipment, but mainly just speakers and equipment for them. Headphones really are not that expensive in the end, in the audio world of things. Myself, I ended up with a Hifiman, custom cable with speaker taps, and a speaker amp. I'm pretty much done when it comes to open-air hi-fi headphones. I'm happy with it in all ways. Not willing to drop another $1000+ on a different flagship or a different set of source equipment. I like the idea of trying other headphones, but I don't want to own them at this point. I am however constantly cycling between and trying new/old closed back headphones, looking for what really just suits me comfort, style, fit, and sound wise.

 

 

 

Very best,


Edited by MalVeauX - 11/15/12 at 6:39pm
post #10 of 11

I promised myself I will never spend too much on audio gear. I am not an audiophile and my ear isn't trained to hear subtle differences.  What I really like are the different sound signatures. I like to have headphones that contrast eachothers sound. But I really can't notice anything else. 

 

My next headphones will probably be my last for a long time until they break and I will get new ones.

post #11 of 11
Arctia, I enjoyed reading your rant. It reminds me of how I feel from time to time, which is basically that I should enjoy the music and stop obsessing on getting the nth degree of sonic clarity out of what I already have. And then on the other hand, it is fun to play with the new gear that comes in :) Cheers!
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