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oooh, that didnt work, and wont work out of context. Can someone repair these links for me? not familiar with this forum software. I take it BB doesnt work.

 

EDIT:fixed, see last page for pics.


Edited by mrbigsby - 12/17/12 at 3:28am
post #1082 of 1488

AKG K167 TI

I'd love to know more comparisons of the 167 and DT 770/32. I almost bought those.
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To be honest at the risk of upsetting some of the die hards here, i must say i prefer the DT7700 32OHM limited. That being said im a massive fan of the k167, and honestly felt it punches WAY above its weight and absolutely destroyed some of the much higher priced sets pictured here. It also in some respects is nicer than the 250 OHM 770's... but the Limited Edition is just something else entirely. 

 

They all had things i liked, and things i didnt like, including the 167, but i still am a firm believer that there absolutely is no perfect cans, only preferable ones and minor scarifices. I couldnt review the limited 32's without buying them as i said before, but i could have swapped them once paid for, and i wouldnt have dreamt of it. FOr my purposes which include a wide array of listening for pleasure and some hiphop and electronica production, these trumped everything but the signature dj.


Edited by mrbigsby - 12/17/12 at 3:00pm
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@mrbigsby- Is there any way you can compare the K167 to the Ultrasone Signature DJ?  On a side note, any feedback you could provide about the Sig DJ on the Sig DJ thread would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Originally Posted by Minarets View Post

I'd love to know more comparisons of the 167 and DT 770/32. I almost bought those.

 

I know it's a different beast, but once I burn them in I'll post some notes on the DT 990 vs. the k167.  Suggestions for test tracks would be appreciated. 

 

The comparison I'm waiting on is the M100 vs. k167.  Also hoping for a comparison between the M100 and the various Beyers in their price range. 
 

post #1086 of 1488

I'm a current Denon AH-D1001 owner (Markl modded, recabled) & I love their gorgeously tight, controlled, hard-hitting kickdrum bass which is absolutely ideal for my trance/progressive house/DnB listening. However they simply don't play *low* enough for my liquid/chillstep listening, where the emphasis is on really relaxing warm sub bassline rather than on the impact of a kickdrum.

 

My obvious thought was to track down D2000 but by the looks of it the K167 might actually be a better idea? Can anybody comment?

 

My primary concerns are;

> the ability to reproduce sub bass frequencies, not just kickdrum frequencies

> comfort (admit it, anybody who has tried D1001 knows they are stupendously comfortable!)

 

Thoughts?

 

Edit - I have to say I see the DT770 coming up a lot in this discussion & those certainly look more comfy... But if they ain't got the sub bass that I want then no thanks ;)


Edited by losteden - 12/17/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

@mrbigsby- Is there any way you can compare the K167 to the Ultrasone Signature DJ?  On a side note, any feedback you could provide about the Sig DJ on the Sig DJ thread would be greatly appreciated.
 


Second that, may be with Pro 750 and 900 as well. As I've read some comments that they do sound a bit Ultrasonish, wondering if this is the case.

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Originally Posted by mrbigsby View Post

To be honest at the risk of upsetting some of the die hards here, i must say i prefer the DT7700 32OHM limited. That being said im a massive fan of the k167, and honestly felt it punches WAY above its weight and absolutely destroyed some of the much higher priced sets pictured here. It also in some respects is nicer than the 250 OHM 770's... but the Limited Edition is just something else entirely. 

They all had things i liked, and things i didnt like, including the 167, but i still am a firm believer that there absolutely is no perfect cans, only preferable ones and minor scarifices. I couldnt review the limited 32's without buying them as i said before, but i could have swapped them once paid for, and i wouldnt have dreamt of it. FOr my purposes which include a wide array of listening for pleasure and some hiphop and electronica production, these trumped everything but the signature pros.

Maybe just list the order of your preference with a short description of what you like most.
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After a week of near-solid use, I'm ready to toss in the towel on the K167 headphones.  I've gone ahead and ordered my return slip via Amazon, so the 11th hour is approaching.

 

Issue # 1: Out of the box, these headphones were simply fantastic.  They had bass that was some of the bass that I've ever heard.  The mids were great, too.  The upper frequencies?  At times, a bit too detailed for my tastes.  But, I do have the background of owning a lot of Grado products, so the detail was something that didn't seem to get to me.  Also, I do realize that we all have different hearing capabilities, and maybe, with time, I'm getting more sensitive to upper frequency overload.  So, for me, I thought from my reading here, the headphones would go through a break-in time, and the bass would get even better, and possibly, the highs would tame a bit.  Unfortunately, the highs have not changed and the bass has remained essentially the same as out of the box.  But, trust me, I am 100% thrilled with the bass just as it is.

 

Issue # 2: Over the course of the week, I've realized that the foam ear pads are barely sufficient in structure and thickness for my likes.  This has been mentioned, and I've even provided a picture showing the blue foam that is used in the construction.  Late yesterday, the K167 baffles were literally resting on my ears - especially my right ear.  After a while, it would cause a bit of soreness.  To me, having pain at a time when I should be relaxing with my music, isn't a good thing.  Sure, we can look at remedies to work around this issue, which I have attempted.  I have weatherstripping that I use essentially for this same purpose on other headphones and it works quite well.  On the K167, I temporarily applied a small layer under the ear pad and the baffle, to provide some additional distance, so my ears would not suffer from this issue.  Interestingly enough, the ear pads with a slight additional distance away from the baffle, really changed the bass response on these headphones.  In fact, the bass was starting to move towards the direction of anemic.

 

It was a that point where I decided I really couldn't stretch things out with these any longer.  So, the return request was submitted.  Please keep in mind, that I don't have an unusually large head.  In fact, my HifiMAN headphones have the sides pushed up as far as they can into the headband, and I still think that I could use about a 1/2" additional layer of padding for proper comfort.  Other than the issues described, I am fine with the other aspects of these headphones.  Also, I realize that any headphone will not be 100% perfect to everyone, so I'm very open to something getting "close" enough for me to like, and I can be accepting.  Yet, I'm of the realization that just maybe the K167s and myself were just not meant to be.

 

Enjoy!

post #1090 of 1488
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 Over the course of the week, I've realized that the foam ear pads are barely sufficient in structure and thickness for my likes.  This has been mentioned, and I've even provided a picture showing the blue foam that is used in the construction.  Late yesterday, the K167 baffles were literally resting on my ears - especially my right ear.  After a while, it would cause a bit of soreness. 

 

How odd. I have no such problem whatsoever. I'm wondering if you need to stretch them out so they don't clamp as hard.

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A few hours in and I'm having a similar issue-- after an hour my ears are a bit sore from the contact between the baffles and my ears.  They are surprisingly compact when folded up, and the sound is good driven straight out of my Clip with no amping.  But the comfort seems like it might be a concern going forward.  

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Originally Posted by wje View Post

After a week of near-solid use, I'm ready to toss in the towel on the K167 headphones.  I've gone ahead and ordered my return slip via Amazon, so the 11th hour is approaching.

Issue # 1: Out of the box, these headphones were simply fantastic.  They had bass that was some of the bass that I've ever heard.  The mids were great, too.  The upper frequencies?  At times, a bit too detailed for my tastes.  But, I do have the background of owning a lot of Grado products, so the detail was something that didn't seem to get to me.  Also, I do realize that we all have different hearing capabilities, and maybe, with time, I'm getting more sensitive to upper frequency overload.  So, for me, I thought from my reading here, the headphones would go through a break-in time, and the bass would get even better, and possibly, the highs would tame a bit.  Unfortunately, the highs have not changed and the bass has remained essentially the same as out of the box.  But, trust me, I am 100% thrilled with the bass just as it is.

Issue # 2: Over the course of the week, I've realized that the foam ear pads are barely sufficient in structure and thickness for my likes.  This has been mentioned, and I've even provided a picture showing the blue foam that is used in the construction.  Late yesterday, the K167 baffles were literally resting on my ears - especially my right ear.  After a while, it would cause a bit of soreness.  To me, having pain at a time when I should be relaxing with my music, isn't a good thing.  Sure, we can look at remedies to work around this issue, which I have attempted.  I have weatherstripping that I use essentially for this same purpose on other headphones and it works quite well.  On the K167, I temporarily applied a small layer under the ear pad and the baffle, to provide some additional distance, so my ears would not suffer from this issue.  Interestingly enough, the ear pads with a slight additional distance away from the baffle, really changed the bass response on these headphones.  In fact, the bass was starting to move towards the direction of anemic.

It was a that point where I decided I really couldn't stretch things out with these any longer.  So, the return request was submitted.  Please keep in mind, that I don't have an unusually large head.  In fact, my HifiMAN headphones have the sides pushed up as far as they can into the headband, and I still think that I could use about a 1/2" additional layer of padding for proper comfort.  Other than the issues described, I am fine with the other aspects of these headphones.  Also, I realize that any headphone will not be 100% perfect to everyone, so I'm very open to something getting "close" enough for me to like, and I can be accepting.  Yet, I'm of the realization that just maybe the K167s and myself were just not meant to be.

Enjoy!

I returned mine as well. Not the sound I quite desire...
post #1093 of 1488
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

@mrbigsby- Is there any way you can compare the K167 to the Ultrasone Signature DJ?  On a side note, any feedback you could provide about the Sig DJ on the Sig DJ thread would be greatly appreciated.
 

 

The sig pro was very satisfying after comparing them to all the other phones i had laid out before me. They entered the comparison after trying the k167 with 3-4 particular tracks VS:

pro900, DT770 250ohm, DT880 (not for me), and a couple other things like HD650 and some Grado. I must say i liked them best but i also expected something holy to occur considering the price tag, but it didnt- they just sounded really nice.

 

Whats really nice? well to my ears, well rounded. THey had more bass than the 880, on par with the 770 but not as boomy or overstated in the sense that the separation and definition was perfect, clear but warm mids (which ive ony EVER found on the limited edition 770, which in turn is not much like the dt770 pro 250, or any other headphones), the mids didnt hide behind a veil or bass or feel too scooped, and the highs were crisp but not deafening like the pro900 who needed to be driven up to feel the midbase tonality- but at this level the high end was excruciating for me personally- as well as that god aweful headband! I have a smallish head, i dont often even extend headphones- who designed that thing?

 

Heres the shock. They sound like a more expensive more well made, more precision more better-er k167/dt770 limited 32OHM hybrid. Honestly the best way i can describe them. comfy too, and attention to detail is mental. They have Etheopian calf skin that is so soft id venture its scrotum (kidding) but i did think it was fake it was so soft, those white shiny inserts- yeah their GLASS! the metal is something special too but i forgot. Basically they are a great pair of cans, for any genre but especially electronica and older grooves- they do bass well, generated or guitar bass. If they kept their glass and baby cow ass to themselves and sold it for $400-$500 i would have bought them and loved them and named them Gus.

 

HTH

Adrian.

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Second that, may be with Pro 750 and 900 as well. As I've read some comments that they do sound a bit Ultrasonish, wondering if this is the case.

not a fan of the pro's see above. Also before anyone gets upset i just want to say this is just my own honest and open opinion, and all the samples (bar the dark horse 32ohm limited) were all well burnt in and in a professional gear worshiping environment. One thing i will say about the pro900 and Ultrasone in general, their build quality was second to none other. THeir design though (especially on the 900) seemed like it could have been tested more, specifically the headband. After even 10 mins i was hurting, let alone the 3-4 hours i spent taking them on and off to compare to everything else. Sig's didnt have this issue and were more comfortable. Not like the Beyer, but not far off. As i said i have a normal-small head shape so i dont often have comfort issues.

 

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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post


Maybe just list the order of your preference with a short description of what you like most.

This wouldnt really do them justice as they all had their pros and cons. For one i hated the pro900 trebles, but the soundstage was second to none, not even the sig pro had that soundstage- it was HUGE, then again the headband is a chinese torture device designed to make us suffer for our sins. The bass is pretty good (considering i am used to a production rig and make mainly hiphop based stuff so basshead would be an understatement) that being said my personal music taste doesnt include all that much hiphop as i also listen to many genres from jazz, rock, classic rock, stoner rock, metal, and a plethora of electronica.

 

So if I made a list with an order and didnt explain why people would get the wrong impression and not buy something that may have been perfect for them! This is why i feel its better to compare two things you are interested in and express which aspects of headphones you like. We all have different ears, the guy down the other end of the tabe yesterday was BLARING some jazz through another treble monster and LOVED it, his ears might be lacking some sensitivity to high end compared to mne, but mine would likely lack some sensitivity to low end compared to his given i work around a lot of subwoofers in my spare time.

 

What do you like, whats your budget, what are you considering? THese questions i can certainly help with!:D

 

I dont want my personal opinion to discount the merits of each headphone.


Edited by mrbigsby - 12/17/12 at 1:51pm
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Adrian, it's a good and very informative reply but it's hard to tell whether you are talking about K167 or Signature Pro. No sweat on Ultrasone Pros, I hate them too. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by mrbigsby View Post

 

The sig pro was very satisfying after comparing them to all the other phones i had laid out before me. They entered the comparison after trying the k167 with 3-4 particular tracks VS:

pro900, DT770 250ohm, DT880 (not for me), and a couple other things like HD650 and some Grado. I must say i liked them best but i also expected something holy to occur considering the price tag, but it didnt- they just sounded really nice.

 

Whats really nice? well to my ears, well rounded. THey had more bass than the 880, on par with the 770 but not as boomy or overstated in the sense that the separation and definition was perfect, clear but warm mids (which ive ony EVER found on the limited edition 770, which in turn is not much like the dt770 pro 250, or any other headphones), the mids didnt hide behind a veil or bass or feel too scooped, and the highs were crisp but not deafening like the pro900 who needed to be driven up to feel the midbase tonality- but at this level the high end was excruciating for me personally- as well as that god aweful headband! I have a smallish head, i dont often even extend headphones- who designed that thing?

 

Heres the shock. They sound like a more expensive more well made, more precision more better-er k167/dt770 limited 32OHM hybrid. Honestly the best way i can describe them. comfy too, and attention to detail is mental. They have Etheopian calf skin that is so soft id venture its scrotum (kidding) but i did think it was fake it was so soft, those white shiny inserts- yeah their GLASS! the metal is something special too but i forgot. Basically they are a great pair of cans, for any genre but especially electronica and older grooves- they do bass well, generated or guitar bass. If they kept their glass and baby cow ass to themselves and sold it for $400-$500 i would have bought them and loved them and named them Gus.

 

HTH

Adrian.

not a fan of the pro's see above. Also before anyone gets upset i just want to say this is just my own honest and open opinion, and all the samples (bar the dark horse 32ohm limited) were all well burnt in and in a professional gear worshiping environment.

 

This wouldnt really do them justice as they all had their pros and cons. For one i hated the pro900 trebles, but the soundstage was second to none, not even the sig pro had that soundstage- it was HUGE, then again the headband is a chinese torture device designed to make us suffer for our sins. The bass is pretty good (considering i am used to a production rig and make mainly hiphop based stuff so basshead would be an understatement) that being said my personal music taste doesnt include all that much hiphop as i also listen to many genres from jazz, rock, classic rock, stoner rock, metal, and a plethora of electronica.

 

So if I made a list with an order and didnt explain why people would get the wrong impression and not buy something that may have been perfect for them! This is why i feel its better to compare two things you are interested in and express which aspects of headphones you like. We all have different ears, the guy down the other end of the tabe yesterday was BLARING some jazz through another treble monster and LOVED it, his ears might be lacking some sensitivity to high end compared to mne, but mine would likely lack some sensitivity to low end compared to his given i work around a lot of subwoofers in my spare time.

 

What do you like, whats your budget, what are you considering? THese questions i can certainly help with!:D

 

I dont want my personal opinion to discount the merits of each headphone.

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Well people need to know that this headphone isn't perfect and it's not going to meet everyone's expectations.  I loved them immediately and after 24 hours of burn, it sounded pretty nasty and after a few more days of burn, it sounded better.  I've amped these with different amps, used various daps and I still can't get used to the treble.  It's detailed, crisp and sounds great but there's something missing that's bothering me.  I have compared these to the other portable headphones that I have and prefer all the other ones over these so I am sending these back.  I still have the K267 on order so that's another reason I don't mind getting rid of these.  I am not expecting a change in sound but hoping the bass ports help.  

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